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The Chipmunks

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Yorick, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I call BS on the Alvin Show thing. There is NO EXCUSE for that not to be complete and on DVD. They're clearly having problems with royalties with the 80's show, but the music used (with maybe one or two exceptions) is either public domain or owned by the Chipmunk copyright holders. I swear the plans were dropped because they have a deal with Paramount, even though they probably keep suing them.

    The ALLLLVIN collection was the only one worth buying. I didn't even get the animated movie yet, but other than that, I really could care less. 3 episodes on a 10-15 dollar disk? I've said it too many times to count, but companies have to step up. Heck, when Mill Creek got partial license to Filmation/Classic Media stuff they were able to release the ENTIRE 65 episodes of Bravestarr for about 20 bucks SRP (and SRP is well over what they charge, so it could even be cheaper).... I can even look away that the disks are in envelopes for 20 bucks for 65 episodes. DVD sales are drooping BECAUSE kiddy releases are stuck in the 1999-2002 era.

    I hope an even better edition of the animated movie comes out when the possibly gonna be a trainwreck 3rd movie comes out. It ticks me off to no extent that Sony had the animated Transformers movie in print for less than a year, and haven't managed to re-release it for THEIR possibly gonna be a train wreck 3rd movie.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The only issue I can think off the top of my head is one episode has them singing "Puttin' On the Ritz", and from what I understand, the estate of Irving Berlin is almost as bad as Bagdasarian Productions as far as people using Berlin's songs or lyrics without permission; I heard someone got sued once for printing part of the lyrics from one of his songs in his/her memoirs or something.

    And if the animated movie you're refering to is The Chipmunk Adventure, I did manage to get that one, and it's actually a pretty good buy, if only because the entire movie was restored and remastered beautifully (I had taped it off Disney Channel from the mid-90s and it looks terrible), plus the ONE special feature showing storyboard panels, conceptual art, animation cels, etc is pretty interesting, and it gives a look into how the movie WOULD'VE turned out, since there were a lot more scenes that were in the script that were dropped because they were about to miss the deadline to complete the movie, and Ross and Janice wanted so much in the movie, animators were literallybeing hospitalized for cramped hands. But I mean, a commentary or something would've sufficed as well... there are production notes on the official Chipmunks site that clearly show how dedicated those two are to the project (more like how dedicated Ross was and basically mercilessly drug Janice around the entire process).

    Actually, come to think of it, we haven't had a DVD release of the cartoons in a while, I wonder what they're up to?
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Music rights are BS completely, but estates are even WORSE. They're mostly mismanaged, they're completely humorless when it comes to licenses... they all think that because the actors/musicians are dead they all have to be grim serious all the time. Unless there's a LOT of money, and they go over the family's head and let companies rewrite their songs to sell Viagra. If it's the family, it's one thing... but it's usually some dower lawyer that just wants to jump on some dead person so they can get a huge cut of the profits. I've heard nothing but bad things about John Denver's estate. That's why we're likely never to see Rocky Mountain Hoilday ever again.

    I hate that. They give us all this stuff, then all of the sudden, these companies leave. Maybe they got sued by them too many times to care? Seriously. Not that I wouldn't want a complete series of the 80's show, but I REALLY want the Alvin show!
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I'd want the complete series of the 80s show... those DiC episodes were really cheapened in many ways (they must have lost a lot of money on TCA); the character designs were slightly improved, but the animation was "liquidy", the backgrounds were simplistic, they only had ONE person doing all of the additional voices, and he wasn't even a voice actor, he was a producer, etc.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd wonder if a complete 80's series WOULD include the DIC or Murikame(SP?) Swenson ones. I'd tend to think the 80's series would just be the Ruby Spears episodes. But, ironically, I'm sure the MS ones would be released on DVD because I remember those having original songs on them.

    But above all The Alvin Show NEEDS to be released commercially on DVD! That stuff's FUNNY! I mean, especially the Clyde Crashcup segments. heck, I think I want those MORE than the Alvin show segments.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've noticed the only release so far to have a mix of different episodes was the ALVINNN!!! edition, which was mostly Ruby-Spears episodes, and one MWS episode. Well, I THINK that Cinderella DVD must have a mix, because I know the main episode of that release is RS, but the "bonus" episodes I believe are MWS epiodes. Other than that, the holiday specials have pretty much all DiC episodes as "bonus" cartoons, while the miniscule best of Chipettes set was all RS.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Personally, after The Alvin Show, I'd rather see them do the RS episodes... but we all know that's impossible due to the rights.

    Still, I wish they got the Mr.T episode for the ALLVIIIN collection.
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    SPeaking of rights, don't tell me I'm the only one whose noticed that none of the Ruby-Spears episodes that have been released on DVD actually retain the original Ruby-Spears logo, meanwhile most of the DiC episodes (with some exceptions) have... that would be funny to see the shoe being on the other foot and have Ruby-Spears sue Bagdasarian Productions over that, lol.
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Bagdasarian Productions have made additional rounds since this morning, so now, there's basically NOTHING left, AT ALL. No Alvin Show, no 80s cartoon, no soundtrack postings... it's a miracle a repost of Neil Cicerega's fandub has survived (though he's said himself his original was removed years ago, and he was given a strike on his account as well).

    I'm thinking that in this case, they pretty much ARE looking for 'em.
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't remember if I mentioned this before or not, but I've noticed that when it comes to merchandising, The Chipettes always get the short end of the stick; they're not licensed nearly as much as The Chipmunks are.

    Even back in the 80s when they were cranking out all kinds of expensive licensed products (RML reference), they did have those creepy-looking vinyl-headed dolls, and that's about it. They came out with a figurine line, that consisted of several different variations of Alvin, Simon, and Theodore, from wearing their signature outfits, to wearing countless different outfits like ball players, cowboys, etc, whereasThe Chipettes had their signature outfits, and cheerleader outfits, and that's it. Every year at Christmastime, The Chipmunks have novelty decor items, like a hula hooping Alvin, or what I saw last year with them popping out of a snowman singing "The Chipmunk Song", but nothing with The Chipettes. All six of them, naturally have Ty beanie baby merchandising with that Squeakquel (sent Jeanette to a friend of mine for Christmas, then got one for myself).

    The animated Christmas novelties are the best-looking merchandise I've yet to see as far as soft/plushie stuff goes, I'd really like to see them do something with The Chipettes in that department.
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Oh my gosh, I remember the Alvin Show! You're right it does hold up very well.

    Clyde Crashcup: "That's elect for elect and tricity for tricity--electricity!" Lol

    Well yeah they're always kind of the #2. I wonder if at some point they determined that there wasn't enough of a demand for them apart from the Chimpmunks.
  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I aways kind of thought that they could do a separate line for Chipettes in a similar fashion like Disney Princesses have their own line. *Shrug*

    I k now the market is difficult for merchandising because the market is mostly dominated by boys (hence why Courage the Cowardly Dog wasn't licensed, because a pink dog wouldn't sell in a mostly boy market), but again, there's potential if they did a Princess-esque line for The Chipettes... it would just make people like myself, and a buddy of mine in the UK look like creeps walkingdown girly aisles for Chipette stuff.

    But, oh heck, what do I care? I only want Jeanette stuff (maybe Eleanor too).

    Speaking of which, here's another shorend of the stick situation: back in the 80s, Janice Karman had a bout of guilt because Simon was being "neglected" in the writing, so they started writing as much for Simon as they did Alvin and Theodore, but when you think about it, out of all six of them, Eleanor is constantly overshadowed, and I think that's why she hardly has any kind of a fanbase within the Chipmunk fan community: Jeanette's fanbase is HUGE, but can you blame her? She's cute, sweet, shy, nerdy, etc; Brittany has a good-sized fanbase mainly because she's Alvin's counterpart, so she gets a lot of attention; but what about Ellie? She had maybe one episode of the 80s cartoon focused on her (good one too, subtle lesson on sexism when Alvin refused to let her join his school soccer team), whereas Brittany was the center of attention in a lot of Chipette episodes, and even Jeanette's had a few episodes where she's in the spotlight, but Ellie really only had one. There is compensation however, she had a big scene in The Chipmunk Adventure (with the baby penguin and all), and she was essentially the leading lady in the Wolfman movie since Theodore was the main focus, but again, she doesn't get near as much attention and recognition as her sisters, and I think that needs to be fixed; she's a great character, like the kind they'd put on SST today for the little girls watching. People don't even realize that she's NOT a carbon-copy of Theodore, casual fans just assume that for being his counterpart, but Eleanor spends more time playing sports like soccer, basketball, football, etc, than she does baking cupcakes and such.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, that and CN was always iffy about how they marketed things. They merchandised the heck out of PPG, then to a much smaller extent after PPG became popular Dexter stuff... NO Johnny Bravo stuff, no Cow and Chicken stuff, no Courage stuff... then they started up with KND stuff (but it wasn't hugely successful and most of the stuff was unproduced) Impossible to find Samurai Jack stuff, then mixed CN stuff with Ed Edd n' Eddy, Fosters, and Billy and Mandy (hard to find, a second series that would have added Camp Lazlo and the horrid Gym Monkey was unproduced as well) then nothing else. There was Chowder stuff and Flapjack stuff, but it was only T-shirts and Key chains at Hot Topic.... then nothing again (unless you count Secret Saturdays toys, which did poorly and Ben 10 stuff which did much better but never marketed girl characters)... now (I've said this story 5 times now) they WANTED a Symbiotic Titan toy series, but no company wants to make girls for boys lines and they canceled the show as a result... yet Jazzwares is set to do an Adventure Time line presumably with the princess characters intact (I WANT LUMPY SPACE PRINCESS!!!) yet nothing for Regular Show just yet... I want a plush Hi Five Ghost.

    Anything else is Happy Meal toy promotions (I know of a Wendy's Johnny Bravo and Dexter, a BK Dexter, PPG, and Fosters, a Taco Bell Cow and Chicken, and a McD's subsisting of Fosters, Monkey, Lazlo and Squirrel boy) and a couple gumball machine toys (KND, a Fosters/Chowder set, and apparently a mixed set that had Eds... I saw the Eddy somewhere once)....

    Now, I'm wondering if the lack of Chipettes is also due in part to classic purism. I've noticed a LOT of classic 60's style Alvin merchandise over the years, so there's no chance of having anachronistic characters there. But then I see a LOT of movie designed characters, and they usually tend to have the Chipettes... but then I've only seen TY Bean Bags and the Squeakuel Kid's meal McD's toys. I can't remember if the 80's line of PVC's or posibles had them or not. The only current merchandise I've seen 1980's (or rather, 90's) style was some ornaments and that Alvin with the Hula Hoop.
  14. Yorick

    Yorick Well-Known Member

  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    They did, in fact, I believe it was one of the last Ruby-Spears episodes... it was a pretty good one, another typical Alvin/Brittany feud episode since Brittany hardly did any publicity for The Chipmunks as the cruise ship's entertainment, but more than enough for The Chipettes.

    And the funny thing about that episode was Brittany's luggage, which was like umpteen pink trunks and cases and junk, and to her, it was LIGHT packing, though I'm sure her side of the bedroom was probably completely empty back home.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    So, best case scenario, it's a 90 minute clone of an episode with poo jokes, right?

    Still, the entire movie seems to be based off a terrible and unfunny forced pun.
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, let's keep in mind that plot wasn't even important in the making of this movie... remember, the main reason they were even doing this movie in the first place was because of DDD.

    In fact, THAT was the working title of the movie: Alvin and The Chipmunks 3D.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Seems like a Smurf situation... like one day they woke up and said, "Ah CRAP! We marketed the movie so much we forgot to write the thing. Let's take the first idea, no matter how stupid it is and plunk one out! This thing's due to be filmed tomorrow!"

    The first one was enjoyable... not great, passable, and David Cross was the only one who felt like he wanted to be in the movie... the second one, while the segment about The Chipmunks going to school and the Chipettes getting the same scam artist manager was admirable, the bad editing, lousy product placements for terrible TV shows, and the addition of Dave's loser nephew and his 3 minutes worth of "We need to get a romantic scene to market this towards girls, because all girls are stupid and want to see the same love story regurgitated out, even if it has nothing to do with the plot" ruined an otherwise meh film. And again, a random Mary sue and Marty Stu love plot EVEN THOUGH there was a perfectly good romantic plot line between the Chipmunks and the Chippettes. The Brittney/Alvin scenes were organic, the Nephew, random teacher with no point in the story bit was just there.

    Now, I can't say these movies are horrible, but I refuse to see the third. I felt buyers remorse weeks later when I realized I missed Princess and the Frog with the second. of course, It took me every inch of my body to not run out of Yogi Bear and try to get into Rapunzel. Another HUGE mistake.
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Actually, now that I really think about it, there's another reason why I don't particularly care for the DiC episodes as much as the Ruby-Spears episodes: the writing. The Ruby-Spears episodes were really cleverly written for a Saturday morning cartoon series, my favorite example is the mock presidential elections at school, where The Chipmunks ride around in a cart pulled by a donkey, while Simon and Theodore campaign, "Don't be a donkey, vote for Alvin!"... then comes Brittany riding on an elephant for her campaign... I mean, little kids aren't going to get all of that, but it's still amusing nonetheless. The DiC episodes on the other hand were really, really cheesey; the movie episodes were clever spoofs, but the dialogue, and even in the more serious episodes, the writing was pretty cheesey.

    Some of the MWS episodes were pretty good, but they were mostly either spoof episodes ("Dreamlighting", "Alvey's Angels", "The Brunch Club", etc) or clipshows/flashbacks.
    I'm not sure, but it seems MWS was actually some sort of off-shoot of Ruby-Spears (which itself was an off-shoot of Hanna-Barbera).

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