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    Sesame Street's 49th season officially began Saturday November 17 on HBO. After you see the new episodes, post here and let us know your thoughts.

"The Happytime Murders" premieres August 24, 2018

Discussion in 'Henson Alternative' started by stephenjlizard, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. GrouchFanatic

    GrouchFanatic Well-Known Member

    OK, fine, I’m very sorry if I went too far. I love Melissa Manchester, I just got confused. So many Melissas in the world it’s a little bit hard to keep track. No more extreme posts, I promise. & if I slip up even once, even just by accident, then I promise I’ll leave Muppet Central forever.
  2. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    I thought you just said you hated her...

    I mean, not really.

    Aw man! I really liked it. Please do more of them!

    I think I'm getting deja vu...
  3. GrouchFanatic

    GrouchFanatic Well-Known Member

    Yeah but I meant to say I hate Melissa McCarthy. So many Melissas in the world, it's sometimes hard to keep track lol
  4. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    I just found this!
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  5. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    I saw the movie and thought it was alright, though woefully lacked background. I expected there to be a lot more focus on the origin of the Happy Time Gang. Brian said in an interview that something like 20 or 30 minutes were cut, most of which was story. I could definitely tell that the movie was butchered in editing. They also did a little too much improv. It wasn't as bad with the improv as Ghostbusters 2016 though which suffered from way too much improv and terrible editing. I saw a fan edit of that movie that put back in some deleted scenes that were totally needed and cut a lot of the bad improv. It was fantastic. But I digress.

    I don't really get why people are mad about the movie and think it ruins their childhood. None of the characters were ones we grew up with. They were all original, and there weren't really any analogs for characters we knew. The story that was left in tact was actually pretty good and I did not see the twist coming to be honest.

    I hope the blu-ray has a director's cut. If it does I will buy it and likely enjoy the movie a lot more.
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  6. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Yeah, too much improv is definitely a major problem I have with most modern mainstream comedies. It's usually quite apparent in Melissa McCarthy movies.
    As for crucial plot points being edited, it kind of reminds me of The Muppets(2011), when the entire reason behind why Miss Piggy and Kermit stopped talking to each other was cut out of the final film and the conflict between them just ended up being confusing.
  7. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    honestly i'm just waiting for it to come on netflix to watch it. I've never been one for raunchy anything being a sex repulsed aroace so I'm not in any rush to see it, but I do have a morbid curiosity about it.

    Regardless. I think the whole ruined childhood thing comes through proxy. People grew up on sesame street and other puppet shows for kids so they see a puppet doing something adult and GASP! it's basically the mindset that puppets are pure and innocent children's entertainment.

    but people also like to throw around the term carelessly anyway and like. at this point i think people use it as a synonym for 'i dont like this thing that reminds me of something else.' But if your childhood was truly ruined from watching this movie where now you cant look at big bird without thinking about puppet cumshots then you've got some serious issues
  8. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Everyone thinks puppet stuff is for kids.

    Oh really?





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  9. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    You forgot:

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  10. ConsummateVs

    ConsummateVs Well-Known Member

    And don't forget:
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  11. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Well, SOME examples, but yes, thanks guys. :p
  12. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    When I was in middle school I really wanted to watch Crank Yankers so we got it from the library and my parents proof-watched it and were just like no.
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  13. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I accidentally stumbled upon it way back when I was in 5th grade (2005) and it was like such a wonderful discovery. It became a treat to watch.

    Sadly, though, I started watching it when the show was coming to an end. :(

    It really sucks that only the first two seasons got DVD releases, but I'm glad we also got Amazon releases for 3-5.
  14. Froggy Fool

    Froggy Fool Well-Known Member

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  15. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    This is exactly why I don't get the arguments against Happy Time Murders being about adult puppet humor ruining childhoods. Maybe it's because it was the Henson Company?
    What's crazy to me is that Ave Q "ruins our childhood" much more than Happy Time Murders. It had puppet sex, fowl language, puppet nudity, etc. However, it had all this AND was a direct parody of Sesame Street. It had an analog of Bert that was gay, an analog of Cookie Monster that was addicted to pornography instead of cookies. I think the only reason it didn't receive nearly as much backlash is because of when it came out and that it was a play that started in NYC.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the play and have seen it 3 times by now I think. I just find it funny that Happy Time Murders was destroyed by the public for the very thing that Ave Q was praised for.
  16. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    To be honest, the "ruined childhood" thing is coming from people who couldn't care less about the movie or puppets and have only seen the trailers, so don't put much stock into it.
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The thing about Avenue Q is that it wasn't marketed to the masses as HAPPYTIME MURDERS was, mainly because musical theater isn't really something for everybody anyway, and in fact, much of theater usually caters to mature audiences anyway - lavish shows with complicated plots intertwined with musical numbers aren't something kids, or even most young adults would want to sit through . . . they would be bored out of their skulls. Heck, even the average person would probably only go to such venues if only to see concerts of their favorite musical artists or groups.

    And yes, I am aware that theaters also do family shows, but again, they're not exactly something families flock to en masse.

    Movie-going, on the other hand, is something that's far more appealing to the general public, and is more likely to be a communal experience for families with kids anyway.

    So, when it comes to adult puppetry, outside of us aficiandos, who out there would even be remotely familiar with Avenue Q?
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  18. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Back when Ave Q was new a lot of people I knew went to see it even though they were not hardcore, or even casual, muppet fans. They thought the idea of puppets with adult problems was funny. The way people reacted to things was also a lot different. Twitter wasn't a thing. Facebook was barely a thing. Myspace was still a niche thing. Youtube hadn't even started yet. So I guess people weren't as quick to outrage and responding to said outrage as quickly. These days, most people see a trailer to a movie and are tweeting about how bad it is before the trailer is even over.

    Off subject, but part of me misses the days of smart phones. Computers are great, and the connectivity can be great, but not being disconnected from hive mentality is ruining our youth. People don't get to develop opinions anymore, they are told what their opinions ought to be. It almost happened to me with Happy Time Murders as I assumed it was a stupid raunchy throwaway movie when the reality is that it had a fairly good story that I wish had not been edited down so much.
  19. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    Let's not forget Meet the Feebles!
  20. MartyMuppets

    MartyMuppets Well-Known Member

    Personally I'd rather meet the Flintstones. :D

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