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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Kiki, Dec 18, 2009.

  1. ferrell

    ferrell Active Member

    I just read this and I think this is one of the most horrific things I have ever read about someone,i hope this script is a joke and not a real script because it's insulting to Jim and his family..I barely got to the end of it without breaking out in tears..it starts off crazy but it's very graphic about his sickness/death at the end and shouldn't be put out on the big screen..if I was a family member I would be insulted by this..just my opinion.
  2. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    The dialogue is pretty bad too.

    Oh Joan. That’s fantastic.

    And... the best part... drum
    roll... I just got off the phone
    to Ed... we got four Emmy noms.

    You’re joking me!
    I can’t believe that!

    JOAN holds up the VARIETY page with Emmy nominations.
    She’s already high-lighted the SESAME STREET ones.


    Number one children’s show
    thirteen weeks and counting.
    That has never happened before in
    the history of television. You
    think we’re not gonna win those
    little gold statues?

    JIM seems non-fussed.

    JOAN (CONT’D):
    Do you ever smile?

    Ohhh... I told Jane I’d be back
    an hour ago.

    This does not sound like an actual conversation between Joan Cooney and Jim Henson. Joan Cooney is one tough lady, a hard-*** woman with top connections in the business and in the government. She was able to get Michael Eisner off of the Jim Henson Company's back after the death of Jim Henson. Here, she sounds like a lame kiddie show character. "Drum roll"? Eck.

    And Jim Henson never smiles? Since when?
  3. Kiki

    Kiki Well-Known Member

  4. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Here is the thing about what I have read so far, it goes from one thng to another a whole lot with out really any explanition of where or why it is going there. Secondly by the time of Jim's death the Company was not just Jerry, Jerry Frank, Dave, Richard Kevin, and Steve. There where many many people working for Henson.

    Also it has been a age old question here on Muppet Central about the Kermit Piggy relationship, and from what I have come to understand most fans feel that in some way or another Kermit and Piggy need each other, and will always be there for each other. To have Piggy marry Link would mess everything up, because she was really never into Link at all. In fact she found him rather stupid. I'm praying that what happens is that Disney and JHC work on this thing and just use the title of the movie.

    If they stick to the facts then everything else will pan out.
  5. Kiki

    Kiki Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I don't get the marriage bit. =/ First of all, doesn't Miss Piggy hate Link? Okay, maybe not hate (esp. in the "True Love" sketch, heh), but they can't relate to eachother, and this is evident in the Pigs In Space sketches. Yes, Kermit and Piggy are like chalk and cheese, but you can tell there's a very special bond between them. *Sigh*... Piggy and Link... personally, nah, I don't like it.
  6. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Piggy and Link...(Yes, I know it's off topic) I could see her marrying him in a dark alternate future, but only in order to make Kermit jealous, not because she loves him. Link? Really? *shudder*

    Mr Foobly, sir, you are also totally write...forget fact verification, the script itself is just too weak for words.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's the thing I have a main problem about. Piggy HATES Link. Piggy REALLY hates Link. In fact, everybody but Link hates Link. Of course, it works on the system that the Kermit/Piggy relationship got so strained that Piggy settled for someone else. But it still makes no sense. At least the guy at least knows who Link is.

    I think they should change the name of this movie if the script to "Jim Henson: Epic Fail!" Seems they focus TOO much on the shortcomings and failures and taint the successes with some imaginary drama or forced moment of depression.

    THIS, People is why biopics are bad ideas. The half truths, the endless suffering, the insane notion that artistic= emo. This script is quite possibly the worst thing they could have done and came up with. They're painting Jim as a miserable person who would love to jump out of any window available, but has too much ennui for even that. I don't mind that they have some negative stuff in there, but balance it with POSITIVE stuff. And graphically dealing with death in ANY biopic is nothing but contrived tear jerking.

    Sure, I want to see the stuff we never see or hear about. We want to see some of the things that made him human... but not THIS. Not something that makes him seem like the most depressed person in the world. They need to junk the entire script and start all over. And DO RESEARCH! Seems like this guy just jumped into one or two wikipedia articles the day before it was due and just threw stuff down like a C student's term paper.
  8. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    *agrees with Dr Tooth's assessment SO much* The question really really should be asked, even if this whole screenplay was 100% true, why would we want to see it? Why would we want everyone to see it? What would it ADD to his legacy? What would it take away from it?
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Make him look like a sad sack... that's what.
  10. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Lets look at reality here for a second folks. We have been hearing about this sceenplay for a long time now, and most of us now have even read it. Let us ask ourselfs the simple question, Do we really think that Disney, or JHC would make this screenplay word for word? The answer to that is NO! Both Disney and JHC have a great respct for Jim Henson and the work that he did. So I think we really don't need to worry about this screenplay ever seeing the light of day. I think there are going to be some very heavy re writes, and this could be going on as we speak.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As Sonic the Hedgehog would say:

    Kids, there's nothing cooler than a screenplay about someone you like. But if they write anything in a way or a place that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's NO GOOD! It's your hero! No one has the right to artistic license if no one wants them too. So what do you do? First, you say NO! Then you get outta there. Most importantly talk to someone you can trust like The Walt Disney Company, Sesame Workshop or The Jim Henson Company.
  12. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    This certainly raises concerns, but I'm reminded what Frank Oz said in an intervew:
    (asked about Internet leaks)
    "Yeah. I think that's really ******. It's like saying to a writer, 'Okay, I want to see your first draft,' and then criticizing the first draft when you have 18 more drafts go. It's ********.

    "I think it's unfortunate because the Internet has become so powerful...and is becoming even more powerful...that it has a bearing on how the film is marketed, how much money is put into a movie, and it has a bearing on how the executives feel and how the actors feel.

    "I think it's really ****** that people make judgements on a movie that's not finished. For crying out loud, wait until we're ready to present it to you! That's all. Unfortunately, for some reason, people feel that they're able to comment on movies before they're finished. It's crazy. You've got to give the artist the opportunity to finish his ******* work. You can't all of a sudden say to a painter who's just drawn the pencil sketch, 'I don't like that. There's not enough color.' Well, I haven't put the color in yet!

    "It's really ******. These people have no idea what the post-production process can do to a movie."
    With all of the typos, misspellings (I hope Big Bird isn't a perineal six-year-old), and other sloppy errors, this is obviously a very early draft. Now that it's in the hands of Henson and Disney, we can be very certain that we'll be getting a better final product.
  13. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Very good point. And an excellent quote from Mr. Oz...
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd tend to agree exactly with something like that... but not when we're talking about a biopic that's not really that accurate. Hypothetically, if I added to Jim's wikipedia page that he liked raisins, then the script would have him either eating raisins for a large part of the film OR there would be a shot of a box of raisins in every scene. I'm sure there's a better draft, and JHC and Disney will rewrite the heck out of it to make it a LOT more positive (the ending of Old Yeller and the scene where Bambi's Mom got shot are more positive than this screenplay so far). But all and all, we wanna see a GOOD movie. Not a tear soaked script that says that sadness is the ONLY thing important to drama.

    And of course, the hallucination scenes are ludicrous. But we've had several pages of that already.
  15. Kiki

    Kiki Well-Known Member

    ^ *Agrees with pretty much everything Drtooth has said so far*.

    I'm only up to page 16 (yeah, I'm an ultra-slow reader, and I've also been trying to multi-task with homework and whatnot) and I *know* it's only early days but I haven't warmed to it just yet. The line between artistry (the surreal Muppety bits) and reality is too blurred if you ask me. =/
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I mean... I understand artistic license, and I understand the need to be creative. It's just... when you're telling someone's life story you can only be so creative. It's like rewriting history, and no one wants that.

    From what I've read (not all that much cuz I got partway through and just couldn't read anymore) and what everyone's saying, I just don't see the lovers, the dreamers and me... I see sometimes the applause is crueler than the jeers. And that's not Jim Henson.

    I feel I should bring up a PBS documentary I once saw about Charles Schulz. It wasn't the happy, smiley, "Happy Birthday Charlie Brown" type retrospective. You got into dark parts of his personal life and personality, and it was done to get perspective on why certain things were the way they were... like (if memory serves me) a period in the 70's when he was having marital problems, that's the era where you saw the most of Snoopy's wacky escapist adventures. I even saw one about the guy who created Tin Tin (Hergie, right) that talked about the dark origins of the comic (it was published in a newspaper or magazine that was published by a Nazi sympathizer).

    I don't wanna see a happy, smiley, hugs and kisses version of Jim, nor do I wanna see him played like Edgar Allen Poe. And While I'm sick of complaining of the script's direction, all I can give is advice. Find the Muppeteers who knew Jim personally. Ask them to tell weird little stories, positive and negative (above all weird and not what we normally see in retrospectives)... have his family and friends as consultants. Just punch up the draft to make it more the story of Jim, and less someone's interpretation of Jim. And above all, fact check. And balance the happy stuff and dramatic stuff.
  17. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

  18. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    I agree that the script is wildly inaccurate, but it's a rough draft was written as a spec. The purpose of the script was to serve as a resume rather than to actually be the final script for a film. Writing something like this shows producers the different directions you can take a script, and different ways you can flesh out a story. I don't think even Weekes would want this script put directly on film.

    Producers often take a script not for what it is, but what it could be. I have a very early draft of Anchorman that's worlds away from the film, and a draft of Bruce Almighty that barely resembles the final product. I imagine the idea behind picking up the script was, "I like your idea for blending Jim's final days with his life and career. Now let's get some actual facts and make him look less delusional."
  19. ferrell

    ferrell Active Member

    here's what I would do IF I was writing the script/movie..
    I would title the movie "It's not easy being green-the Jim henson story",that way people know exactly what it's about and the title would have more meaning and sentement,I would not go back and forth from his early years up to his death ,in fact his death would only be mentioned briefly at the end,no sweating and coughing up blood,no hallutionating or seeing muppets that aren't there,I would start off the movie with Henson in the Disney office getting ready to make a deal with them then I would flashback to when he was a kid,the rest of the movie would be in chronilogical order,the movie would end with the Henson announcing the disney deal to the public,I would have the Hensons involded with every aspect of the script that way it's accurate and have them approve of it before I would even turn in a script to the producer...
  20. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    I'm not against the death being in there. But, it does NOT have to be so graphic. It was dramatic enough in real life without an over-weight Kermit singing "I'm Going To Go Back There Someday."

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