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The Muppets is Brainwashing Our Kids

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by MrBloogarFoobly, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well I'll say, Jim Henson said his point of Fraggle Rock was to end war. So you could call that liberal, tho social conservative Ron Paul is more anti war than most Democrats. Meanwhile, the Republicans who tried to shut down PBS and Sesame Street(who also used Sesame Street songs in brutal Iraqi torture sessions) got us into multiple wars, forcing Sesame Street to make a special where Rosita's dad lost a leg in Iraq.

    The Muppet Show was about as liberal as it gets
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  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member


  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    The Muppets have(thankfully) always been extremely liberal. The anti war and songs promoting peace on the Muppet show, the spoof of social conservatives with Sam the Eagle, all the interviews with Jim Henson stating his views, the very gay friendly atmosphere, the pro environmentalist message
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  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Lol, yeah seriously. Though his motivation as I understand it is more isolationist, right?
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Exactly. And since it's the holiday season I'll add this Kermit quote that fits what you're saying:

  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I think the philanthropist joke saved it from being too one dimensional. I'm glad the movie ended up how it did. It's really not that different from The Muppet Movie taking on Doc Hopper. In both cases, the Muppets were challenging corporate greed. And the Uncle Deadly scene is one of my favorites just how it is. :)

    I've told other fans about the cut scenes and they really didn’t find them that necessary for the villain to be effective. Usually scenes are cut with good reason.
  7. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Uhhh... to be fair, and I've said this often, A Christmas Carol was one of Dickens's MANY anti-big business themed stories. The tale wasn't just Scrooge was a rich guy who lost his way, the story was a commentary on Industrial Revolution era policies of working the poor to death, unfair and unreasonably unpayable debts (debtor's prison was a recurring theme in his novels), and basically the rotten, wretched types that profit from the misery of others.
    But that's just me... everyone forgets that. I am by no means a literary scholar, but everyone forgets that and it annoys me... sort of like when people say that Porky Pig says "Budee budee budee That's all folks." or that whole "Play it Again, Sam" misquote.

    Now, there IS something I forgot to post in my review of the movie. And I'm surprised none of the other fans got this, but I found the story sort of a parallel between Henson and EMTV and even Disney.... Tex lies about purchasing the studios to preserve it, and at one point threatens to junk the Muppets for the Moopets because the Muppets lost the right to the Muppet name and likenesses... hint hint... but all the sudden at the end Tex decides to let the Muppets have it... seriously, isn't that what happened during the EMTV bit, if you replace "decides to let the Muppets Have it" with "Henson had the money, and EMTV gave the Sesame Street characters to Sesame Workshop?"
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  9. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I was having a hard time figuring out which studio the movie was really complaining about, LOL. They have a case for basically every studio that's ever had their arms you know where.

    Anyway... re: the Occupy Sesame Street sign above ...

    Uh ... ok, the Muppet one I get, but whoever made that pic SERIOUSLY equates a guy who lives in a trash can (admittedly well-furnished, I guess) with evil greedy CEOs? Do they KNOW who Oscar is? Oscar thinks trash is treasure and treasure is crap. I can't really imagine him going along with Wall Street.

    Now, Count von Count, OTOH, endlessly counts all his stuff and clearly lives posh. If you're living in a cold alley beside a run-down apartment building, HE'D be the person I'd expect you to camp out and whine in front of. :p
  10. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

  11. Bannanasketch

    Bannanasketch Active Member

    It's a joke...
  12. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Oh noez! Protect teh kids from teh liberalz!

    Ah, good old Fox, reading too much into stuff, taking things out of context, and not doing research :D
  13. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Jokes that make no sense only work if you're Fozzie. :)
  14. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Oh, i LOVE that the Muppets by and large contain liberal values and i wouldn't be as much of a fan of them as i am if they didn't (though what many would consider to be "liberal values", i identify as "human should-ideally-be-universal-values") but at the same time i don't believe that what this particular faux Fox report is trying to debunk as liberal propaganda is that.
  15. 12Medbe

    12Medbe Active Member

    Muppet Fans for Occupy Fox News? I think so! :laugh:

    FoxNews is ridiculous, I tell ya. Anyone wonder if the viewers actually believe what they said about "The Muppets"?
  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well like I said, I'm not saying the film was a huge screaming political statement. But was it an ironic jab at corporate interests? Absolutely. ;)
  17. Wockawocka721

    Wockawocka721 New Member

    I think the film should be taken as literally as it was meant to be. Kids seeing Tex thinking "he's evil!" because he wants to ruin the Muppets' legacy, should take it as that. They won't know the true story behind oil or any corporate jargon before they are in high school. Tex is meant to be (IMO) a fabrication of corporations and evil that try to take down struggling/forgotten people like the Muppets. Either way the film is intended for fun and families and I think it's funny that it's being conceived as a message for the youth.
  18. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the next film should be about the Muppets taking on an evil media empire...ooo run by a muppet fox.... I find it interesting that the clip they use in this is Walter telling about Tex Richman's plan. It doesn't get more cartoony a portrayal of a villian than that. This whole news cast looks absurd and it doesn't sound like they even saw the movie. I'm a fairly conservative person (though I don't belong to any party) but this kind of thing is complete nonsense. Have they seen Jason Segel get interviewed? I honestly think any thought of politics was outweighed by his sheer love of the Muppets.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Can I just say how sad it's become where any media outlet where an unscrupulous rich person is a villain is now considered "liberal brainwashing" at all? Is that were we are? If there really is Class Warfare, the rich have dropped the first bomb and are winning by that account. It's like everyone who defends what some of these guys do have Futurama brain slugs stuck to their heads.

    Like I said, Scrooge McDuck and Flintheart Glomgold. It's not the money that makes the man, but rather what they chose to do with it. It isn't so much Tex is drilling for oil on their property for me, its the fact he LIED about preserving the Muppets Studio so he can sucker Statler and Waldorf to give him their contract to drill for oil. Had he directly talked to Kermit and said there was oil underneath and let''s say Kermit rejected his offer... if Tex left without getting it saying, "that's okay." THAT would be a rich person doing the right thing.
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  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I almost agree. It's just that we've come to a point where there's little to defend about oil companies, with the connection to the Middle East conflicts and the Gulf spill and all. It just has a very bad reputation and deservedly so.

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