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"The Muppets" show runner exits, series to be relaunched February 2 with episodes 11-16

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Drtooth, Nov 4, 2015.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think the big thing is going to be character development, and the directions they go with certain relationships. Mostly Kermit and Piggy's. There has kind of been a role reversal in the way Kermit treats Piggy. I think that is going to be addressed because that is a huge part of what the show is all about.
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  2. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I don't understand the weirdness and negativity surrounding this announcement.

    Prady has always been the lead showrunner and it appears that he and Kushell were having creative differences that were making their way into show so ABC made a judgment call.

    The show isn't perfect, but it has a lot working for it. Swapping out Kushell (Anger Management, the Simpsons, American Dad) with Newman (How I Met Your Mother, Chuck, Galavant) seems to gel better with the classic Muppets spirit - that underneath the conflict, they're still a family. Even though I didn't see much wrong on screen, I'm focusing on the positive possibilities with this tweak.

    There are so many fans needlessly worrying that they're going to completely change the program, but I haven't read that anywhere. All I've read is that there will be some tinkering and a relaunch in the spring.

    All I think that will change is that they'll probably add a bit more music, fun and a sense of camaraderie that the show has been missing.

    The show's numbers are solid, but they really could be doing better. Maybe they can get some of the audience back with a bit more cheer, music and madness. That's what I'm thinking. The rest will probably remain the same. :)
  3. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Well said. I don't think the show needs a major overhaul. It's good but could use a bit more of the original Muppet zaniness. Bring on the penguins :zany: , singing chickens :cluck:, boomerang fish :fishy:, random explosions :crazy: and vats of tapioca pudding :concern: .
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  4. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Didn't Sam say vats of pudding were off the list? Children could drown. :eek:Hahaha. :attitude:
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  5. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Oh, and more :sympathy:. A lot more :sympathy: !
  6. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Sam says lots of things are off the list. If we listened to :attitude: we'd be looking at this:

  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Seems like Sam is more fair in his censorship than I had expected. I expected him to be so strict that they'd struggle to keep the show on long enough for a half-hour.
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  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I would tend to worry if they threw the show's main plotline of Piggy and Kermit struggling with having to work with each other and realizing their break up wasn't a great idea and is tearing them apart. That's as far as the concern for the in show writing. Changes do need to be made, but those are changes that happen naturally in a TV Show's first year. And I do think that more Muppety things can be gently and gradually added in.

    My concern is that this sends the message that "we screwed up" and being desperate to get the ratings they lost back up, which usually entails snarky sarcasm and bad word of mouth. Hopefully the outside Muppet fanbase followers will see this as a sign the show will improve, not that the show is desperate and should be cancelled.

    I've seen improvement in the show the past 2 episodes, and I really want to see more episodes like the last one in terms of writing quality and pacing among others. There has been one thing bugging me about the show. The pre-pilot pitch episode. By far, the funniest joke in that was the "Was I in Muppet Treasure Island" line. They recycled some of the jokes in the first 2 episodes (the "Legally happy" line being clumsily thrown in), but I don't see why they didn't bother trying to squeeze that actually funny bit somewhere. Then it hit me. The show really should be making more meta jokes about past projects. Virtually every remake, reboot, or continuation of a franchise makes some effort to throw in some little nod to previous incarnations. And I find it strange that this show doesn't. I don't think that would be the huge improvement the series needs, but if they're going for this documentary style where they break the fourth wall by design, why not mention other projects while they're at it?
  9. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Now that I think of it, I don't think the show has made any references to previous Muppet stuff.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think that's one of the smaller things they need with the show. I did like in the new movies how they constantly referenced other projects, and I really think this series could use jut a smidge of that. Even the new Peanuts movie they managed to Easter egg and reference things, like the infamous "No Dogs Allowed!"

    The show could indeed use a little more meta. If there's one thing from the prepitch pilot that's missing here it's little references to minor muppet characters. Sure, we can see Beautiful Day in the background of one of the last episodes, but I really think they need a meta joke punch here and there. A joke about a previous film, maybe? I'd love to see them make a joke about licensing themselves out as Muppet Babies. I think that sort of thing can easily fit into the show without ruining too much of the element. After all, the show is about the production of a TV show starring characters that have had shows and movies before. Why not name check a couple here and there? Have Kermit say something like "Muppet Christmas Carol bought me a nice car, and Muppet Treasure Island bought me a nicer one" or something like that.
  11. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I like that this show doesn't reference the past projects the Muppets have done. Think back to the Muppet Show, Muppets Tonight and even the first 6 movies and notice how they rarely (if ever) made a reference to earlier shows, movies, etc. Both The Muppets (2011) and Muppets Most Wanted, focused heavily on The Muppet Show and the first three movies (using songs from The Muppet Show, The Muppet Movie, the Great Muppet Caper and The Muppets Take Manhattan, while also making various call backs to them as well) instead of making a brand new idea that didn't depend on nostalgia and the original concepts of the Muppets. Those two movies tried to create some kind of canon for the Muppets, which didn't really work in my opinion. I liked when each individual project had it's own canon (which is something I like about The Muppets (2015)). The new show feels classic in that way because the writers have to come up with new ideas, and better jokes, rather than a (potentially) forced reference that only hard core Muppet fans will understand.
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  12. cahuenga

    cahuenga Well-Known Member

    This is one of the reasons why I don´t wanna see Walter in the show, he is a movie character, like Clueless Morgan and Polly or Ubergonzo or Betina and Belinda...and really, I dont see him fit in the new series. I think we don`t really need remember other productions on the new show, they should create an entire new cannon, with older characters, and continuate with them and with newer ones, but not from the movies.
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  13. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    That's exactly how I feel. I want Walter and Constantine to stay as far away from this show as they can. They're movie characters, for the movie canon. Their stories were for the big screen and they really don't have a purpose on this new show.
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  14. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    But that's different. Unlike the other movie characters, Walter was a major part of two movies rather then just one and he's also the only one to appear in countless talk shows and YouTube shorts as well as Muppets Pilot and this video which was not in any way meant to promote a movie . I really feel like both Disney and the writers intended for Walter to be a main character
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2015
  15. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I guess it depends on how one chooses to perceive things.

    A cynical person could say- This change points to a screw up and that will poison people's minds about a lack of confidence ABC has in the show. :grr:

    An optimist could say - This is an opportunity to smooth out the bits they haven't gotten quite right yet. :fanatic:

    A pragmatist could say -The two main showrunners weren't sharing the same vision so they hired someone who does (and who has a background in bringing musical elements to television shows). :cool:

    What I think - A bit of tinkering and a promotional push next year could entice back some of those who left the show early on while retaining the audience the show already has. :)

    I'm bewildered by those who gravitate first to pessimism, particularly Muppet fans. ;)
  16. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    KAUT was my local UPN station. Bringing back all the feels. (I really liked UPN, but mostly because I loved ST:VOY, which was its original flagship).
  17. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

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    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

  19. oknazevad

    oknazevad Member

    That's not really late compared to other ABC shows that take a midseason break. Agent Carter, for example, is a 10 week series this year, so Agents of SHIELD will have an even longer break.
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  20. Grovette

    Grovette Member

    I'm looking forward to February!! :D
    Can't wait for promos for the next episode.

    Thought it was good news that the show got a full season.
    When do we find out if it will get renewed for a second season?
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