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The Muppets SPOILER Thread

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Muppy, Sep 9, 2015.

  1. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Still no adds??!?!! Well this really stinks!
     
  2. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I agree!! Without ads, people (like me ...) will forget when episodes are airing or even if there is one! I know I wouldn't remember if I didn't come on this forum, so why should anyone else remember?

    ABC's top priority should be to advertise the heck out of the finale. Do the whole will they/won't they get back together thing for Kermit and Piggy. Give the audience something to look forward to! It's a 2 part hour long episode. It HAS to be advertised.
     
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  3. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Perhaps Piggy and Kermit getting back together could get people interested in the show again.
     
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  4. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    The show flopped after a heavily advertised return, it's obvious they are not going to advertise it.
     
  5. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    The Robin voice was not the best, but I really don't care since we get to see him back, and I'm sure it will improve with more practice.
     
  6. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    They still should.

    ANYWAY ... "Little Green Lie" is perfection. Not one joke fell flat for me, and I smiled through out the entire episode. I also laughed out loud numerous times (more than any other episode). The characterization is great, everyone feels like themselves (as you might know I had problems with Fozzie in "Walk the Swine" and a few other episodes. Here he is 100% classic Fozzie). There was a nice balance between the A story and the B story, too. The B story was only a small bit of the episode, which worked for me. The B story shouldn't take up more than a third of the episode, which it didn't. It gave a nice balance of Piggy, Kermit and Robin, and Gonzo, Rizzo and Pepe.

    Some notes on the episode ...

    You will forget about Robin's voice change the second you hear him talk. It's not that big of a deal. Also it is explained that Robin is going through some issues at home, so he comes to visit his Uncle Kermit to get away from it all. Little did he know that Kermit and Piggy split up, but no one wants to break the bad news to him. That right there is a perfect plot, and just what was promised with the original pilot. We get to know what's going on at home with Robin, and later on in the episode we get to see Gonzo living his life with Camilla. It's really great, and I'm so happy that I enjoyed this episode after I was pretty harsh on the previous one. But without criticism things won't get better.

    We got to see another sketch, which I won't ruin because it's a real gem. But I will say that it isn't Vet's Hospital (I guess that will come in the next episode ...).

    So yeah, "Little Green Lie" was an all around amazing episode. I really hope people tune in tomorrow. We just need to stay positive. There's a lot of negativity going around. We need to remain calm, and what ever happens, happens. All I can say is that I got to live while there was a Muppet show on TV. That's good enough for me.
     
  7. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Major Spoilers, but hey, it's a spoilers thread. It's too bad that ratings have gone down already, because episodes like this is what the show was made for. Easily one of the best episodes of the season, with a nice mix of comedy and feeling. Robin's voice sounds fine by about half way into the episode (you get used to it). The Friendly Feud was hilarious, Lips got a line (well, a word). Chip got a couple lines, which we haven't really seen since the reboot, IIRC. This was the episode in which Foo Foo ran into Carl's mouth. Final note, drunk Pepe is the funniest thing I have seen in a while.
     
  8. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Nice to know that it was that it was that good of an episode, also I'm not saying ABC shouldn't advertise the muppets, but considering how the show flopped in the ratings, it would just be wasting ad time and money, also it doesn't seem to matter, Got Silk got about the same ratings as the other two episodes, and those were heavily advertised so it doesn't seem that the show will gain or lose viewers if they do, again I'm not being negative just realistic, and it's not like I want this to happen, it has been miserable seeing the results, but it's not like we can do anything about it. All I can say is at least we got a new muppet show even if it didn't make it past a season.
     
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  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Besides. ABC needs all the ad revenue and time to promote their obviously going to fail "The Family."

    Seriously, didn't they do the whole "mysterious reasons why dead family members come backs" thing and it was somehow renewed for another season before it was cancelled? If they can give that crappy premise a second chance, they certainly can give the Muppets another one at some point.
     
  10. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    We're there any guest stars in Little Green Lie?
     
  11. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    Yeah, that host on GMA that Pepe keeps flirting with everytime they meet.
     
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Really hope the lack of good guest stars the last couple episodes isn't a bad sign of them just plowing through the last few episodes before they contemplate some mediocre sitcom to shove in its place come September. Lack of advertising and interesting guests doesn't sound too promising. This is just frustrating now. Moving the time slot was a huge mistake. It probably would have maintained the viewership even against the overrated "New Girl."

    Seriously. The Mindy Project was the one they canned. Not this.
     
  13. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Active Member

    I thought that was Dave Goelz as Robin; he has a bit of Chip in him. All I can think of is this:



    So they hammer in the point in the early episodes that Piggy didn't remember Gonzo or Fozzie or any of the core characters besides Kermit, but she remembers Robin, who I remember her having barely, if any interaction with.

    I think the whole "Who are you?" bit would have been funnier here with Robin; a cool character who has been ignored and very inconsistent with his appearances lately for no apparent reason. Maybe the reason they kept him out of the limelight for so long was because they didn't have a proper voice actor, which sadly is still the case, but I don't mind or can fault them for trying.
     
  14. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    No because she probably saw robin a lot when she was with kermit
     
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It takes quite a bit to recast a Muppet performer. And they're not going to sound 100% the same. It's about who can get the closest approximation of personality and who's available to perform the character then it's how close they sound. No bones about it, Jerry had a distinct voice quality that none of the performers were able to replicate. And yes, indeed it took forever to recast most of the roles because they didn't think they'd have to until something happened. Things are far more simple now, at least on the Sesame Street front. The characters all have understudies in case something happens. Look how fast they got Elmo back. There was no way they were going to mothball that cash cow.
     
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  16. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Just because we've hardly seen them interacting doesn't mean they couldn't have. Robin is the nephew of someone who she had been dating for years. I think she'd remember him.
     
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  17. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Active Member

    True, but I'm just basing it on things I've seen on the screen.

    I also think she'd remember character she's starred in countless shows, specials and movies with.
     
  18. jobi71

    jobi71 Active Member

    Piggy not remembering Gonzo et al was a big joke in the pitch pilot which was not meant to be seen by fans and I think is a bit of an isolated story to show the executives the possibilities. It is, however, true that in the first episode Piggy on the phone with Fozzie is very dismissive of him - which was a bad writing choice. She's been aware of the others pretty consistently since then. Plus they have been softening the character a bit. To have her not remember Robin would be three steps backwards. As forwhy Robin has been absent as of late: They simply don't cast voice actors to mimic character voices. They want puppeteers who can perform and vocalize the characters. This takes time. And since the reappearance of the Muppets since 2011 Matt has performed Uncle Deadly and Constantine - two leading roles in the films. He also performs as Big Bird, Floyd, Lew Zealand and a few other randoms I am sure. I think the reason we haven't seen Robin is there hasn't been outside of a one line gag and some chorus parts much need for the character.
     
  19. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    If anyone wants to chat live as the show is on send me a message on Facebook or here.
     
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    So we haven't really seen Robin and Miss Piggy interact much until this, but there is a scene in this episode that shows photos of times Robin has spent with Kermit and Piggy.
     


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