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Weinstein rolls with Fraggle Rock movie

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by GelflingWaldo, May 13, 2008.

  1. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Well-Known Member


    I have a bad feeling that it's going to be hard to sell the Fraggles into a modern day audience. :(
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I think the idea that the general audience is only interested in modern things is a big myth many companies are choosing to buy into. It does not apply to real life.
  3. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    From what i gathered Zappa wrote the original treatment and thats it, so i guess if they are using part of it thats why he has been given the executive producer credit. I actually liked Hoodwinked and most of the Weinsteins other stuff so i think they are probably in about the best hands they could be - Weinstein stuff seems to attract the right kind of audience and publicity that we need to find with this Fraggle film.

    I wish it well, and think it will be a great movie - i don't see any worries content or storywise and i think a CGI/Puppet mix is perfect. The only thing that i'm hesitant about is whether it can attract a large enough audience. I think it's a given that a lot of nostaglic fans in their late 20's/early thirties will go and hopefully that will make it successful, but if they need to attract kids as well (like a Hoodwinked audience) i wonder if they'll be able to arract them and whether todays kids will "get it". I say this because HIT has tried airing the original series in the UK and other regions across the world on kids channels, and while it did get some interest, it wasn't enough. I guess maybe with this they will try to write it in the style of todays Pixar/Dreamworks style movies (Shrek etc) while not straying too far from the original concept, so as to give it a bit more of a familiar style.

    I agree with UppityMuppety about the Henson biopic being fairly unlikely - they have no backing for it, and the sheer difficulty of doing it without any Henson/Disney/Sesame involvement would put off any distributors or backers .. and above all, it wouldn't look right without Muppets. I would like to see some kind of movie one day, but done right and by the right people.
  4. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

    re: Ahmet Zappa

    With the recent announcement of Cory Edwards helming the script, I've read a lot of bloggers and forumers misinterpreting the news. People think Zappa was ousted or replaced by Cory Edwards as the writer for the film. This isn't true, Zappa is still very much involved in the project.

    Zappa (who is more of an author; and not really a polished screen writer) was hired by Henson in late 2006 to develop the initial film treatment (i.e. a very detailed outline/narrative of the story and plot). Zappa was also hired at that time to be a producer on the film. Zappa was not hired to write the script, and I don't think it was ever the plan to have him write the final screenplay.

    After about 16-months of Zappa and Henson working out the concept and story, they selected and hired Cory Edwards to turn the treatment into a film-able script. Zappa's treatment will be the foundation for Edwards' script and Zappa is still involved in overseeing the film - Zappa wrote the treatment, he is continuing in the producer role and he is actually working with Edwards as he writes the final script.

    Zappa chatted about his role on the film in last week's episode of the Henson.com podcast. Check out the May 20th show.
  5. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Generally an executive producer will get the credit because of either having some involvement in coming up with the initial project or bringing the lead actor to the studio (for instance, Brillstein for Ghostbusters) but then usually take a back seat while still overseeing the film. I didn't know Zappa was still quite as involved in the final script though, perhaps he is more involved because of the music aspect of the film as i know that was a major interest for him in doing the movie.
  6. RobintheBrave

    RobintheBrave Active Member

  7. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I think FR does not do well many times on tv, just like many older shows, not because there is not staying power, but because channels treat it like it will fail, pull it off early, and put it on tv in some weird time like midnight or two or four AM.

    If Hoodwinks' target was 'today's kids' I really did not see it do very well were I lived, hardly anyone was laughing, and it was soon forgotten when the next CGI movie came along :p.
    If FR is a flop in the movies because it is too 'old school' in writing style and gets pulled early that is one thing and will most likely get many older fans buying the DVD three months later (replacing that lost money) to raise little fans on it that probably already 'get it' thanks to their parents backgrounds in all things muppety from the 70's-90's.

    But having the whole soul of what FR is about rewritten just to make a smash hit that is forgotten a month later is not always better than a movie that flops because of older-spirited writing IMHO.

    We might get a new cartoon series and more toys out of even 'OMG so cool' FR movie doing well of course, but at least no matter what, good or bad we will still have all the 80's series boxsets by then. That is what matters most I think:excited:

    :confused: Since when are pop culture references the be all and end all of making jokes for muppet characters? Or any cartoon or live action show for that matter?
    I almost wish one of the writers for Scrubs was a diehard muppet fan (and no, not in the making sex jokes way) *lol*

    Someone needs to actually watch the FR tv series again if they don't know what sort of jokes to make *lol*
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    This sounds solid!

    This is the guy! Even though it's a departure from his other films he seems to get it. Maybe he's taking a cue from Segel's anticipated Muppet film in his approach?

    :busy: Some points:
    -The story outline is comprehensive, solid, fire-tested and Henson approved.
    -The story is inspired by Jim Henson's idea.
    -All the Fraggles are back in puppet form along with practical sets and actors for most of the film.
    -Modern effects will be used sparingly and only to enhance things for good reasons rather than a gimmick. -No pop-culture jokes or "Shreking it up".
    -It's not just a kid flick or a really long episode. It's a Fraggle fantasy movie with some Muppety action.
    -When in doubt he asks What Would Jim Do? :)
  9. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    (quotations from article)

    Awesomely encouraging! This is starting to sound like it's heading in the right direction.

    Well, I might not go THAT far... but I would send some pigs your way. :mad:

    Yay hooray!

    So, it's based on a story "Henson" always wanted to do? That's great! Sooo cool.

    :excited: :coy: <--Two happy Fraggles.
  10. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Well, I hope that is what he is really doing and not just what he is saying to make fans happy.:coy:. I heard good things about Doogal before it was put out to...
    Of course, FR has more story to began with...
    I hope the whole movie is not set in Outer Space though, since the rock itself is sort of its own character and a big part of what the fraggles draw upon...Without it as a setting to start with, they are sort of like Traveling Matt without any feeling of history...
  11. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Well-Known Member

    Just please stick to the ORIGINAL puppeteers, or I will be heartbroken :( Unless it's a case of where the voice behind the fraggle is no longer with us and it can't be helped.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, but all those comments made me sick. "teh movie iz bad lik Sppee Racerz and Bullwinlez. Dey rape my chilhood XD."

    First of all, Speed Racer isn't like every cheap crappy live action version of a cartoon series. the people behind it did reseach and actually watched the cartoons. They cared about the product. Sure, it was a titanic failure, but it's mainly due to people like that. Mayhaps they would have better liked the cheap low budget crappy film they were going to make in 93.

    Heck, I think Spped was the only time they got it right. maybe since The first Flintstones... or even Popeye. Besides, what do they expect from something based on a Sports anime? Those things have notoriously repetitive plots, and focus mainly on the sporting even with a little side story. And this is coming from an ultimate Muscle fan.

    Secondly, this is NOT a nostalgia factor film. This is a legit Fraggle Movie. We have never had this chance. We've had numerous near misses, but this time it's gonna happen. A Muppet film ISN'T gonna be a nostalgia grab. A SS movie isn't a nostalgia grab. but since Fraggles had nothing but false starts, and it took 20 years to get it down, it's a nostalgia film? I just don't get it.

    Sure, if it was to turn out like Underdog or Gadget, where they stray from the original idea so far, you wonder if they just made a movie about something similar and slapped a franchise name on it to try to get fans.

    Something tells me this is going to be a TMNT situatuion (though, TMNT was basically a floating sequal to the first three). It wasn't a relaunch, so much as a continuation. Fraggles don't need their story retold over and over, all incorrectly (much as I surprisingly enjoyed the Chipmunks film, I don't want to see any more inconsistant and off canon origin stories). And I feel it will make the movie better. Maybe a few things could be re-explained, but nothing too retreaded.
  13. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Exactly. I still fail to see why Speed tanked. I thought it was perfect ... considering the source. The only time the anime stuff looked weird was when the kid was imagining being in an anime, but that's forgivable, becuase it was established he was watching a blasted cartoon. Though, from the little I read on imdb, a lot of it wasn't "it raped my childhood" but "geez, when are they going to have a Japanese actor in an American movie from a Japanese anime".

    I agree it shouldn't just be treated like a nostalgia film, though some of the marketing might play along with it. A nostalgia film is what you make when you haven't got anything else better to do and you're having some mid-life crisis.

    The beauty of the Hensonian properties is that their characters CAN succeed in every single generation ... as long as the contributors believe in it. Heck, even the bible itself doesn't have that great a track record in its movies. It can be felt all over the world: the time of the Honk of Honks (so to speak) is near. It shouldn't be abandoned just because of fear. I realize I probably make it sound more important than it might be ... but the Dream has always been a part of me. It's not some abstract concept ... I might sound like some neurotic loser, but I tell you all the gospel truth.

    FR doesn't need a lot of re-tread or re-vamp. It's not that difficult a concept: we humans have ignored a vital part of a hidden ecosystem because we're too self-absorbed to see the truth. What's so hard about that?
  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I don't understand the whole 'Speed Racer is awful' thing ether. I have not seen it yet, but is almost like the reviewers on tv are blackballing it already :p.

    I actually liked Rocky & Bo, the live action Flintstones, and Popeye movies :)
  15. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Well-Known Member

    The best line from this article that Robin The Brave posted?
    Hee hee! Poor guy, I hope he's not too scared of us. We're nice, really! We just don't want to see something as good-hearted as Fraggle Rock mutated in order to make big box office bucks. But he seems to get that, so yay! I'm so so so super excited.
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Speed Racer is beautiful but suffers from poor writing, a bloated running time, lack of direction and upset the fan base from the start. Except for weaving a little of it into the score and making a generic hip hop version of it - the recognizable theme song was hardly in the movie! They only played the few remaining bars from the show's theme. That was blatant hubris on the Wachowski brothers part. They had the brand; they just didn't really use or respect it enough. I saw the film and it isn't awful, it just wasn't very good and worldwide audiences don't really think so either. Critics like to stick things in stark thumbs up or down terms when this one's kind of in the middle. I will consider getting the DVD for the visuals.

    Right on about the Fraggle film. It seems like they have the right take on it - a continuation of a Jim concept. :excited:
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Speed Racer suffering from dull writing? I fail to see how that isn't the same case with the TV show. I mean, the show itself is basically racing with some odd conspiracy or contrived plot stuck in somewhere. You have to give them credit for trying. It wasn't one of those lame films where they pretty much slap a franchise name on it so they at least have a familiarity angle. The thing LOOKED like an anime, not a cheap low budget telefilm bloated on the big screen (like everything Disney attempted).

    But I can clearly see why it tanked. A dude in an iron suit and an epic book movie with a religious following. No wonder it didn't do well. But I really respect what they did with the film. At least they didn't slap a bunch of ultra famous faces that didn't fit the characters at all (Mathew Broaderick as Gadget, Jason lee as Underdog, need I say more).

    I really would love to have seen the hack job they would have done with the 90's movie. That would have been a disaster.

    But back to the Fraggles, I don't in anyway see how this is anything like those films at all, love or hate them. We are not recasting puppet characters to be human actors (we don't want another Thunderbirds on our hands), we may have to recast roles of certain puppeteers who can't make it, though.

    But other than that, we'll see puppets aided by CGI. Something I don't understand the hate for. I mean, I can clearly see them filling the backgrounds with CGI fraggles. I mean, take a look at the opening theme song. You can really tell which of the Fraggles are remote controlled by single puppeteers, just to fill out the business of the rock. They move really stiffly, and almost the same. I can see a CGI enhanced crowd scene, and if done right, they will blend in to the Puppet Fraggles perfectly.

    I don't see them remaking the entire thing CGI, though. Twiddle Bugs....
  18. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    I do want to see the puppets aided by a little CGI, as with any modern Henson production (except the Wizard's alter egos in The Muppets Wizard of Oz. that was too much). However, with the advances in animatronics, I hope to see as much of that as possible (when needed). The puppets for Revenge of the Sith were absolutely incredible! But they hardly got used. I would like to see a combination of puppets, animatronics, and CGI. I'm sure we will see that since, apart from the CGI, that's how Fraggle Rock was made. Just think of what they can do with a modern Doozer animatronic!:busy:
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. CGI being used for special effects and to fill in crowds. Aiding the performance. Not to replace the puupets. Exactly what I think that they should do, and I'm about 90% sure we'd see that sort of thing. And even if they use CGI, what's to say Henson wouldn't be the ones behind it either? Henson does so much more than puppeteering. After all, even Jim experimented with computer imaging and puppetry at the same time.

    I could see a lot of WALDO used here. Both for anamatronics and CGI.
  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I don't see "nostalgic" as a bad word at all. Especially when Hollywood can clearly seen better days. Being modern (or nostalgic for that matter) shouldn't be the main priority. Decent writing should be. :)

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