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Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by GelflingWaldo, May 13, 2008.
Wow! Thanks for the news!
Seems they're going to distribute Astroboy if Imagi actually makes it. It's been in developement purgatory (allong with Gatchaman and TMNT II) due to a corporate shift. These projects have been losing directors and writers left and right. Even if they happen, I don't have any enthusiasm for them.
That's the delay. We had a writer change. That usually holds something up. kinda worried about it, yes. But Maybe it's one of the few good writer changes. Still, I wonder how different from Wuzzle Zappa this script is gonna be.
Yeah, didn't he write one nearly 18 years before he passed?
I hated Hoodwinked, it was one of the worst movies I have ever seen, 2nd only to Happily N'Ever After. I have faith in the fraggles, but I really hope that this writer does not stay .
And another group as well, those of us who are twenty something and don't have babies yet who are simply not jaded or pessimistic, and are kids at heart . Never underestimate our group fandom power .
Well said, Red. You cannot leave any fan group out, because--as they themselves know--FR was a worldwide phenomenon for many people, kids and adults alike. I just want the film done right, dagnabbit! ^_^
I always have felt that although new generations of children may comes after us, FR holds a soul within it that none of us can ever truly outgrown, and those that think they have simply need to be reminded. It's not a matter of immaturity vs. realism, or nostalgia vs. a blockbuster IMHO, it's getting people to listen with their hearts and not their heads, something that the media has been trying to kill with mindless reality shows that make human emotions and differences seem like weakness .
The world really does need FR right now...
Some people will never come to see it, that's true, but they are not the sort of people who would understand the heart of the rock anyway IMHO...
Of course, never underestimate that dragging power of we fans that force 'I don't want to go to a kiddy movie' friends to come to, who actually end up loving the film to in the end .
I am super excited about this film. I am also relieved to see that ahned Zappa is still on board.
Actually, Hollywood would be happy if we didn't use our heads either. They don't market "smart" films like they do mindless blather. I find it rather bizarre that Jim Henson foretold the youtube era, considering a lot of it is the same mindless trash (even his pilot thing on youtube ... if he weren't at the beginning, it just looks like another random "we're stupid geeks on a road trip" vid).
I learned my diversity-training from the Muppets, SS, and FR.
There are generations in all countries who desperately need FR as a shot in the arm. I'm not entirely sure Gobo can make everyone sit down at the campfire and sing Kumbaya ... lol ... but the Muppet message of chillin' and gettin' along is their strength.
Well, thinking with your heart is not a mindless thing actually..I think those sort of movies don't only lack any sort of deeper thought, they also lack true heart, which is a sad sad thing...
A film losing one writer is trouble. A flim losing 2 writers is doomed to never happen. I don't expect the writer to write it exactly like Hoodwinked. But then again, I was turned off by the film, and didn't want to see it, since it fell into the "Let's make fun of Fairy tales since Shrek was big" cash in stage.
I still have faith in this due to one simple fact. Henson is over seeing this. If they don't like the script, they have the power to say "NO!" and get a new writer or abandon the project entirely. Even though MFS had some studio problems, I doubt that the same problems would plague this film.
By Smart films, do you mean the whining about something and helping to ruin the cause type films, or do you mean something allong the lines of Juno? Something that's underrated, but still has a huge buzz behind it and can be enjoyable on any level? It's Hollywood. Of COURSE they want to appeal to the lowest common denominator half the time, since... face it. Lowest common denominator outnumbers the artsy types.
But will this ruin the Fraggle Picture? I doubt it. Unless Dreamworks was behind it, and they wanted a hundred fart jokes per capita in the film, I don't see any real case of worry. In fact, the press release states they want to keep it true to the original show. Too bad Disney didn't try that with Underdog or Gadget, taking the essense of the show, draining it out to the simplest premise, and putting out something to appeal to screaming 6 year olds who don;'t care about this stuff.
I'm reserving judgement until the film goes into further production. All I'm saying is, there is NO way a muppet project could ever be as bad as OZ.
Meh ... I was going with the underrated ones, not the whiny ones. It's bad enough I have to hear whining on the news.
Oz was better than MFS.
The problem? Said screaming 6 year olds happen to be the market demographic for a lot of shows, even those produced by Henson, sadly. For in fact, a lot of us were kids when FR initially aired and so, it may be a sad twist of fate if the film were geared towards the new generation who seemingly doesn't give two flips about the old stuff, because thanks to society, the new generation agrees with the "old = bad" stigma.
Or they not all agree with it, but the media does not think little ones have minds of their own
And so, the magic is lost, which goes back to what Majory said in that we Silly Creature humans may be too silly (and greedy) to think about our own ties to the universal bond each organism in this world shares.
By screaming 5 and 6 year olds, I of course referred to the Underdog and Gadget movies. they don't care, as they've never seen them before. Why make a movie based on a nostalgic product if the 2 target groups won't be interrested? The Nostalgia angle can't be played for fans of the show if you change the concept, and the younger audience who the film was writen for won't know or even care about what an Underdog or Inspector Gadget are.
For this film, we've seen the press release say that they want a movie for fans, while implying they want to get child audiences. Now, a lot of the fans of the show, with kids that is, bought the box sets (or at least the singles) for both of them to watch as parent and child. Clearly they want a family film where the parent can share something, not just see something they're either too young or too old to care about get ruined for the kids who won't be interrested.
But then again, other than a bare thread of plot and a writer, we know nothing of the film so far. We could think negative, but there really isn't much to think negative about. Much like the 2 guys writing the Muppet project script. We have a bare plot where anything could happen.
And unless they reinact a classic book, or play second or third to a celebrity star, there's nothing to worry about just yet.
I sure hope you're right. I would just want this film done right.
But the thing is many people do care and aren't too young or too old for it, even if they were to just redo a plot from the tv series and give it more depth. The messages of FR have no age group IMHO. It might have started with only the idea of being 'just for kids' but to me, it never stayed that way.
It is not the fact that we, it's target generation got older I think, or that we are just hungary for anything from the 80's right now , but rather that the messages of it ring true for every part of life, not just childhood IMHO...
Many newer movies have seemed to forgotten any deeper ageless meaning just to put in more flash and whatever song is cool that summer..True, those movies make money, sometimes millions of dollars, but how quickly they are forgotten the next year speaks volumes I think...
Even if FR is a blockbuster, I hope it will not be the empty kind :\...
There's way too much concern over modernizing films and not enough concern about the film itself. Just write a decent script, make a decent film, and people will go to see it. It's amazing how that's not being understood these day.
Sadly, such an idea is practically dead nowadays. Having said that, I'd gladly be sitting up with the dead (and incidentally, I did have an Uncle Fred, too) until quality returns to entertainment.
I dont have an Uncle Fred. Just thought I would let you know
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