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What if Rowlf was the main Muppet?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by muppetfan89, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    Canon actually means anything that is officially made by the author most of the time, so that is how I see all but the storybook and TGMC movies (but only because TGMC makes :o and Kermit brothers)
     
  2. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Not in the second season episode of The Muppet Show where pigs take over the theater and put the cast in the basement. Piggy went along with the pigs take over and didn't rescue Kermit.
     
  3. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    That--to me--was way out of character for Piggy, because as much as she would want to be a big star, I would never think she'd depardize her friends--and her mon' cap'tain--for it.
     
  4. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    That is very OOC to me to...I think it is a case of bad writing :o
     
  5. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    So I guess even the "classics" have their time of bad writing.
     
  6. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    Oh, of course:o...maybe not bad writing so much as 'easy' writing, as in it was easier to write Miss Piggy as just going along with things than to be 100% true to her character:sympathy:...
     
  7. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    And even sometimes, real people do get out of character & follow a crowd. It's due to social influence. Apparently, the fact that her kinfolk were taking of the show drove Piggy to join them, because as much as she tries to be lady like, she is still a pig at heart.
     
  8. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    To me, it just shows that Piggy doesn't care that much about Kermit, and to a lesser extinct her friends, because it's all about her.
     
  9. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Which is out of character, considering how the movies--and even TMS's later seasons--portray her.
     
  10. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Piggy dumps Kermit willingly in a heartbeat every time her agent calls.... IN THE MOVIES.
     
  11. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    But she also ends up being with Kermit in the end, anyway.
     
  12. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I don't think that really means she doesn't care for him exactly:coy:
     
  13. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    Right. That's just how their relationship works. Kermit himself put it best, "We have a professional relationship. I act like a professional & she thinks we have a relationship."
     
  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    *lol* They do..I think it is possible to be selfish and in love at the same time :)
     
  15. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Piggy is complicated. She is a diva, she can be self centered, and she can come off as being uncaring, but she really does love her frog and deep down (really deep at times) she cares for the other Muppets as well. Yes, she'll karate chop anyone who rubs her the wrong way and she often comes off as being somewhat mean, Piggy can also be sensitive and concerned about others. She just has a very reserved way of showing it beneath her diva exterior.

    To say that it is out of character or bad writing for Piggy to have her leave her friends in the basement wouldn't necessarily be true. But I think that if Kermit spoke up about it being an issue, she might have (reluctantly?) stayed behind. Though if it were a more serious situation, I think she would have stuck with them.
     
  16. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    1. Kermit did speak about it in that very same episode.
    2. What's more serious than having your show--the show that endeared you to many--being overan and controlled by renegade swine (no offense to Miss Piggy, of course)?
     
  17. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Sorry, I forgot.

    And that's where you have to consider the Piggy logic. She is an opportunist. But, I'm sure that if she tagged along with the pigs, eventually she would forget that and go back to Kermit eventually. She wouldn't leave him down there.
     
  18. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I respect Piggy a great deal ... but the fact of the matter is, her career comes first. I've been rewatching the Muppet Movie and Caper and it seems like (and we should include Very Muppet Christmas Movie and TMS as well) she goes back to Kermit ... when her gig is over or she's been fired or whatever. Had things worked out ... she would have stayed with the gig, not the frog.

    I think if the pig takeover had succeeded, in that they let her be the star, she would have paid someone to open the basement door ... but she definitely would have stayed for her numbers.

    I know she cares for Kermit. However, sometimes it seems like he's more of yet another accessory for her, not a partner.
     
  19. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    But in MTM, she has another opportunity for a gig, but she forgoes that for Kermit, considering she felt her Kemie was getting too friendly with Jenny.
     
  20. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    That's about the only time you'll see Piggy actually care for Kermit. And yes, she even seemed to care for the others in the movie too like Janice, Fozzie, Rowlf, Gonzo, etc.

    But if Piggy's career took off, she would leave Kermit with no hesitation. Sure she'll think about Kermit and the rest of the old gang every once and a while but she'll be busy with her career and meeting people and so on.

    If her career took off and she left Kermit and the others, she would probably reconnect with them eventually, but that would be way on down the line, say 10 or more years. But there would be some bitterness with Kermit towards Piggy for leaving him.
     


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