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What went wrong with Muppets from Space?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Daffney, Apr 1, 2011.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    All I remember is that it was supposed to be during the sequence at the end where everyone was at Cape Doom waiting for the ship. Matt was supposedly writing a postcard or commenting on how strange everyone looked.
  2. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Just watched this for the first time in a long time, and I have to agree with most of what was being said, but I do have one question. Why was Frank Oz not available to perform most of the time during the filming? I know he was probably directing something, but I'm sure he had to have had a contract that obligated him to perform x number of scenes or something. Fozzie seemed to be the most off of all his characters, IMO, throughout the film.

    Aside from that the most notable thing about the movie was playing Spot-The-Muppet at the beginning. Nothing exceptional, nothing terrible. I thought it was harmless.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And it's not even just that. They had 3 of Frank's biggest characters in one whole sequence, and they didn't really do much of anything too in character or even notable. Somehow it feels like the movie should have had room for the Muppets to split up in COVNET and have separate adventures trying to find Gonzo, and just having him pop up just behind Kermit when they least expect it. If there's one thing in the movie that needed to be better, it's the COVNET breakout.

    Somehow I'd rather they have been just in time for the alien ship to arrive than to have them wait forever for it and have Gonzo lose faith in it showing up.
  4. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    The breakout sequence seemed lethargic to me. Fozzie didn't do much and Animal just had that odd gag with Kathy Griffin. It seemed to me like some parts of it might have been axed from the script or something. 88 minutes, taking time out for opening and closing credits, is pretty light for a movie.
  5. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

    Something went wrong with it?? I'm not suppossed to like it??? Oh no!!!:eek:

    Seriously though, as much as I like Gonzo.. I feel like the reason the movie didn't feel as strong is because Gonzo does not really relate with any other characters(besides Camilla). I mean, when you look into the Muppets past and the friendship moments they had.. Kermit and Piggy, Kermit and Fozzie, Rizzo and Pepe, They don't really click with Gonzo as well.. I mean, the last thing I can remember Piggy saying to Gonzo that was not insulting or negative was "Gonzo, is Camilla okay?" from TMTM. Gonzo is the black sheep..The weirdo.. and that's his character. When I look back at The Muppet Show even today, I always felt bad for Gonzo because it seemed liked he was the most distant from everyone else..I know that they DO like Gonzo and would do anything for him. But still, Gonzo is,in my opinion, the most distant of the main characters.

    In the end, Gonzo is probably the most difficult of the main characters to write for let alone script an ENTIRE FILM around.. I think the movie was a good time and the only nitpick I have is the lack of Muppet songs. (It sure beats MWoOz for sure!!)
  6. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't say that, as time went on he became fairly close with Kermit and Fozzie and does have a close friendship with Rizzo that definitely is one of the reedeeming aspects of Muppets from Space.
  7. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    The only thing I didn't like about it was the fact that the Muppets didn't sing ONE song. :sympathy: I mean, come on! ONE SONG! *iiinn controooolll*

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  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Actually it's widely sourced that the performers work freelance. When Steve Whitmire was interviewed for Tough Pigs in 2008 he said that even with Disney owning the Muppets the Muppet performers remain freelance (I wonder if that's changed with the recent movie).

    But I have read of occasions where certain performers started out under contract. In the Muppet Central interview with Karen Prell she says she was only under contract for her first year, and Michael Earl has said on many occasions that he started out under contract for three years. Interestingly, it seems both performers were let go from Sesame Street as soon as their contracts were up.
  9. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I didn't realize that the performers worked freelance, I would have thought they would have had to sign a contract before a movie so they could commit to filming.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The only problem I have with The Muppets is that there was too much concept in the run time they were allotted. They cut out quite a bit, but the movie had a break neck pace that made the most of every single moment. Other than the Me party segment, nothing dragged the movie down.

    MFS is quite the opposite. There are just too many drags in the script that stop the movie cold and ruin the pacing. A lot of it was Clifford checking mail, Kermit painting the house... and just droning portions of too few Muppets acting bored. The card playing scene? What was that about? Gonzo rushes in and says "I'm from OUTER SPACE!!" He could have just yelled that off the roof tops and got the same reaction of characters running out to see what the explosion was. Not 4 of the Muppets bored to death playing cards.

    Here's how the COVNET break out should have gone.

    Kermit, Fozzie, and Pepe should have been the only ones that broke in, with Floyd and Animal in the car for back up (having left Bunsen and Beaker behind... I still think that part was pretty brilliant). Piggy was back at Cape Doom covering the story, cutting to a sequence where she worries if Kermie is safe. Using the invisible spray, the three of them split up undetected looking for Gonzo (who just walked out of his holding cel after talking to the sandwich... Bobo forgot to lock the cel behind him), and the invisible spray wears off at compromising moments. They aren't caught, and manage to remain incognito. They all regroup to think up another plan to get Gonzo. Fozzie asks "okay, now how are we supposed to rescue him?" Gonzo pops up behind him and says "Find Who?" Fozzie replies "Well, Gonzo, we have to go find Gonzo." Realizing that, Gonzo points out they still need to find Rizzo. Fozzie asks, "Yeah! Where is he?" Rizzo pops up and says "WHere is who?" Fozzie replies "You know Rizzo, we have to... WOULD EVERYONE CUT THAT OUT!?!" Just a corridor away from escape, they manage to sneak closer to the exit without making a scene, even though it's clear that Gonzo escaped at that point and they just started to alert the guards. Meanwhile, back in the van, Animal grows impatient, Floyd is unable to hold him back. Animal storms the base (the guard is still affected by the Mind Mist), causes a ruckus before the others are almost out, causing a massive chase that leads them in circles (where they run into, and knock over Van Neuter, who himself is being chased by the rest of the rats)... there's large spread confusion, they use the door in a jar (to the same extent in the film) and manage to escape. Gonzo points out that it's almost time for the aliens to land, and they speed off in the Mayhem Van with Agent Singer and Bobo in hot pursuit.

    Meanwhile at the landing site, everyone gets sick of waiting for both the aliens and Gonzo (both are late), and everyone else seems dejected until the Alien Gonzos touch down. After asking where the one called Gonzo is, one of the Muppets waiting says that he didn't show up yet. The head alien says "We're a very busy people. Maybe we should try again next century." With that, the Mayhem bus careens to the beach, passers by jump out of the way. The bus skid to a stop, Gonzo jumps out of the door, runs, collapsing at the base of the ship and says "I'M HERE! I'M HERE!"

    And basically everything's basically the same from there.
  11. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Drtooth just wrote in 5 minutes something so much better than the writers behind MFS did in multiple months worth of work.
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  12. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    yeah that was a better story then the last half of MFS lol
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  13. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I remember reading a simular forum. Not sure if this is the same one or not. But I don't mind talking about it again. Talking about Muppets is one of favorite things to do. lol
    I think what happened with Muppets From Space is Jerry Juhl wrote a script and Kirk Thatcher write a script. Kirk's was called Muppets in Space and I think it had something to do with Koosebane or something like that. Jerry's was about Gonzo worrying about who he is and where he came from. And the original Jerry Juhl script was really really funny and he even said he liked Kirk's script a lot but Jerry's got picked and Jerry mentioned that Kirk's would make a good film in the future. But there was a director who came in and walked off the project and then Tim Hill went to direct it and he made changes and perhaps executives did too to make it more hip to the new generation basicly why it fell apart. Originally it was going be a bunch of parodies of X-files and ET, but got replaced with toilet themed scat humor. (I ownly found Animal dunking his head into the toilet to be funny because it was really close to Animals primitive character.) Junk like Fozzie picking his nose and Miss Piggy running up the stairs saying that she's got to pee. Even Frank Oz said in an interview that he didn't like the final product, no one did, they all said it could have been better. I think that's when Frank decided to slowly quit The Muppets and pay more attention to directing.
    I've even heard Frank Oz didn't like the new Muppet movie draft script, didn't know if he seen the final movie. Personally I loved the new Muppet Movie, totally kicked the socks out of Muppets From Space.
    I'm sort of glad that Muppet Studios supervising everything before it's made now a days.
    It's strange no one stood up and said, No Muppets don't do toilet humor durring the pre-production of Muppets From Space.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Alternatively, there could be a scene in which they were caught.

    Singer pulls everyone into his office, asking them to explain themselves. Fozzie (or Gonzo) explains that they need to meet the alien mother ship, but Kermit stops them from saying the exact location. Singer thinks for a second and lets them go, saying it was all a big mistake. The second they leave, Singer calls Bob and says "Let's follow them."

    Something like that anyway.
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've read a rumor (which I wouldn't be surprised if it was true) that Jerry Juhl quit writing the movie because of the bathroom humor. The closest confirmation I can find to it being true is a Muppet Central news article which announced that Jerry Juhl left production of the film due to disagreements with The Jim Henson Company, though it said that he would continue to write for the company again in the future (and of course he retired shortly after the movie came out... It's a shame he didn't hold off on retiring until The Muppet Show Live in 2001, THAT would have been a great final writing assignment).
  16. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

    True.. I suppose you're right.. Even though Rizzo isn't the most dependable Muppet in the world(he fell asleep when Gonzo was in need of moral support in the first scene..), I suppose it's the thought that counts..:shifty::concern:
  17. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    That was the biggest issue I had with MFS was Kermit and Piggy's relationship. Yeah it wasn't suppose to be the main focus but still it was like they were strangers. I had other issues with this film but that was the no. 1 issue I had. I thought were is the dynamic that they always have?? There was NONE was just very disappointing.

    I should note I don't even think Kermit himself very much liked this film. Because I saw an interview he did on this German radio show back in Jan-Feb when he was promoting The Muppets film. And the interviewer said the last film they did was MFS and he asked Kermit why a new movie now? And Kermit's reply was "With all due respect to MFS you don't want that to be the last film you ever do, you want to do a better one" And it was a pretty serious answer so I don't even think Steve liked MFS much
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  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    On the one hand it was a Gonzo focused movie, but on the other hand Kermit and Piggy were present but not there. I like the concept of Piggy working at a news station, but other than that, she seemed completely out of the film EVEN though she was in that break out sequence. All she did there was make her trade mark "Kissy Kissies" and mock the door in a jar. Like I said, she would have been better suited waiting at the beach for everyone else.

    Kermit was worse. There could have been some more tender moments between Kermit and Gonzo, but he seemed almost disinterested in Gonzo's deep depression. I don't get the complaints about how Kermit was in the last movie... about how depressed he was. he was at least emoting in that film. He was stuck in permanent Mr. Happy mode the entire time in MFS. I blame the script, not the performance... but there was something missing with Kermit in that movie. And it was there in MCC and MTI (at least closer to the end with that one).

    And Like I said, there was NO sequence of Kermit telling people that htye had to support Piggy and watch her show when a bunch of Muppets were fighting over the TV. That small sequence could have spoke volumes. Kermit might as well have said "Hey guys! Raiders of the Lost Arc is on, but Piggy's thing is on first. Let's sit through that to kill time."

    And knowing Tim Hill, the rest of the movie would be Kermit and the rest of them watching the movie, BUT they'd just cut it up to show the fun mundane stuff they do in between commercial breaks.

    Seriously... HOW THE HECK bad was the director they fired that house painting and mail checking was more worthy of screen time than anything fun?
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  19. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I rest my case with Kermit's words about MFS. LOL! "With all due respect to MFS you don't want that to be the last film you ever do, you want to do a better one" :)
  20. Hayley B

    Hayley B Well-Known Member

    I'll have to pay attention to "Kermit and Piggy's relationship" again. But the reply from Kermit is too funny. The Muppets was indeed an awesome comeback :laugh:


    To everyone, I just watched it for the first time today. I thought it was pretty funny and well worth $5.00. I kept thinking the Muppets Wizard of OZ was much worst, honestly.

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