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Why don't most people like "Muppet Treasure Island"?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by muppet_fan_1, Apr 29, 2002.

  1. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik Well-Known Member

    You know, that's a good question. I don't even know why I rate MFS over MTI. But when it comes down to MTI and MFS, MFS is usually the one that goes in the VCR, and MTI collects dust...
  2. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    How about the "classic three" - TMM TGMC TMTM?
  3. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    I think the only reason i would choose Muppets From Space over Muppet Treasure Island is because we get to see alot of Classic Muppets in the Boarding House, And Scooter makes a cameo.
    Oh and Pepe ofcourse...

    But on the whole i think Muppet Treasure Island is better than Muppets From Space.

    See ya
  4. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik Well-Known Member

    TGMC is my favorite Muppet movie. I love the songs, and it's rather silly. For me that make it fun to watch (although I'm not saying that the other movies aren't "fun", it's just with this movie I'm constantly giggling or smiling). Plus I think some nostalgia is involved. When I was little, I was not a big fan of the "classic Muppets" (but I loved the Muppet Babies, go figure), but this was the only Muppet movie that I would watch.

    Coming in at a close second is TMM. It's funny, and has great songs. Plus it has that whole "classicy" feel. But somehow it comes in second.

    TMTM is last in the "classic movies", but I'd probably rate it 4th overall (behind MCC). The songs are good, and it's funny, but when I watch it, it just feels like something is missing. Plus, I think it suffers from "reverse nostalgia". That is, when I was little, I did not like this movie. In my mind, I actually used this movie to show why I didn't like the "older Muppets". But now I've "grown up" (I don't think I'll ever really "grow up" :) ), and I'm probably too stubborn to let it move up to number 3 overall. I can just be weird like that... :)
  5. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik Well-Known Member


    You know, I've basically given up trying to figure out why I like MFS more than MTI. For me, that's just one of the mysteries of the universe...

  6. Jackie

    Jackie Well-Known Member

    I too like MFS better than MTI...I think if the two were combined...like with original songs in MTI with the funny Muppety style and jokes in MFS it would make one awesome movie.
  7. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik Well-Known Member

    Plus pirates. I'm sure a few pirates wouldn't hurt.


  8. Jessie

    Jessie Well-Known Member


    I have never seen any of the Muppets Tonight stuff, a little ahead of my time.

    As for the Classic Muppet movies, I have the DVD of the Great Muppet Caper and the VHS of The Muppets Take Manhattan. MTI? What does that stand for...?

    I like Fozzie in older 2.
    *Kermit...what does B.S.C stand for?...I read the one with Dear Abby in it."* LOL...
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually, I do like Muppets From Space. In fact, I've got a great idea for a post.......
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    MTI stands for Muppet Treasure Island. Eeek! you don't have The classic Muppet Movie? I really feel it's the best of the series. Have you seen it?
  11. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    :( "SNIFF!! SNIFF!!"

    Haven't you ever seen the original movies, but even more importantly, haven't you ever seen any of the original The Muppet Show episodes?? Fozzie really is one of the greatest Muppet characters, but since Frank Oz has kind of bowed out of the picture, he hasn't had much to say or do, and his few lines haven't been much in the personality of Fozzie Bear.

    Get you some copies of the original Muppet Show...uh...show, and you'll see that it's worth liking the Bear.

    Still kinda sad,
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    That's exactly what I was thinking. The bear is only second to the pig (and I tend to think they are equals). He is part of the majic missing from the Muppets. Poor Foz. He is the uncrushable spirit!
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    I hope Jessie can get The Muppet Movie. Not only is it the quintessential (?) classic, but it is such a great, inspirational film.

    JESSIE, dear friend of my heart (who has a cool Tinkerbell flitting avatar)...Tell everyone you know that you must have TMM, that it is very important to you to have it, because it is such a must-have for the Muppet fan.

    On the other hand, ignore the video "Hey, You're As Funny As Fozzie Bear." Please.

  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Eeek! What was with that series of kid vids with Fozzie and Kermit. I think they were released under the direction of Jim. It always surprised me because the Muppet Show cast was always meant for an adult audience. Those shows could have easily been done by the sesame cast.

    I was thinking about the Muppet cast. Kermit is the center, Piggy's to the left and Fozzie is the right hand bear. Gonzo is a little more left of center than the rest (as usual) and followed by Animal, Rowlf and Scooter in that order. Do you think that's generally right?
  15. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    "I was thinking about the Muppet cast. Kermit is the center, Piggy's to the left and Fozzie is the right hand bear. Gonzo is a little more left of center than the rest (as usual) and followed by Animal, Rowlf and Scooter in that order. Do you think that's generally right?"

    Right, but I always say Fozzie before I say Piggy. Of course, I would.

  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Yeah, the more I think about what's missing from the Muppets, I'm beginning to believe that it's even more than just the strained Misss Piggy/Kermit dynamic. I think the Fozzie-Kermit team has been nonexistant for quite some time. He barely appeared in MCC, was featured in MTI, but certainly not Kermit's right hand bear, and just wandered around the background of MFS picking his nose.

    You know I don't really care who voices the Oz characters anymore, they need to return full force. They've sounded a bit strange the last decade anyway. Bring back Fozzie Bear!
  17. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member


    Aw come on now...how can you say Fozzie's a "right-hand" bear when we all know it's

    Bear LEFT (right frog)!:D

    ...and actually even though i felt the 80's was a horrible time for Classic Muppet fans because up until JHH there had been too much emphasis on the kiddie stuff when the audience that had grown up with The Muppet Show was growing up and the focus was going backwards, i found (most) of the 1988 interactive videos to be rather charming...keeping in mind they were more for the kids. "Neat Stuff" could actually have done well as a new series.
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Do you mean the 80s or 90s? Up until the mid 80s the Muppets were still for a more mature audience. I believe that the late 80s and 90s began to kiddify them.
  19. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Re: Jamie


  20. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    I meant the 80's. Yes, whenever there were classic Muppet stuff, it was generally pretty intelligent and well written - but they became few and far between.

    Yes, there was the last season of The Muppet Show, two Muppet Movies in the first part of the decade, but essentially what had happened was you had kids that grew up with The Muppet Show entering their teens and the next regular Muppet project was a kid's show, Fraggle Rock (a very intelligent multi-layered kids show that stands heads and shoulders above most others from the decade - but a kids' show nonetheless.) Classic Muppet stuff basically came about once a year in the form of a special. Then came ... THE BABIES! The bulk of the time the classic characters were in the spotlight, it was in their moppet Muppet form! Then we saw the Classic characters in their adult puppet form for a very short time (thankfully) in the Little Muppet Monsters attempt. There were wonderful specials throughout the 80's - but you had to wait a year for them and hope that it WAS a classic Muppet special and not a Bunny Picnic or something. Those who grew up with the Muppets had to "grow out of them: by and large because there was hardly anything left for them - until Jim Henson Hour which put them back in the classic edgy for-adults-mainly-but-children-can-join-in-the-fun-too mode.

    That's essentially what i was referring to.

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