I was referring only to the Muppet Show cast in the last statement. I tend to do that because I find them to be "The Muppets" I guess because of the title of The Muppet Show and subsequent movies. Does anybody else feel that way? Just wondering. Back on topic, I really wouldn't peg the "kiddification to the entire 80s. I would have to say it claiming it for the second half would be more correct in my mind. By your inclusion of the Fraggles, then we'd have to include Sesame Steet too and that changes the arguement entirely. I believe the Muppet Babies came along in 85 right? Or at the earliest late 84. That would pretty much chop the decade into equal halves and I really think the two Muppet (TMS cast) films that came out in the 80s and the last year of TMS hold enough weight to keep the entire decade from being labeled as a kiddiefied Muppet era. The second half - sure. Just my thoughts though.