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Why is Sesame Street slowly dying?

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by timrikthegorf, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf New Member

    The things I channel my energy into are causes that I feel passionate about, like art and politics, and issues of social justice, the latter of which I would have thought that you, being a social worker, would feel strongly about too. But I see now it's obvious that complaining about modern SS is much higher on your priorities. Ah,well. To each his own.
  2. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf New Member

    Yeah, as opposed to some people who do nothing but post fifty million times to complain that a kids show doesn't meet their selfish standards and expectations.
  3. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    how long is this going to go on. this topic has been brought up to much anfd i think most here oughta just knock off the ranting about it. while i like the old SS better i can probably understand them making changes for whatever reasons. just shut about it! it's been covered and we don't need to go over it again and again and again.
  4. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I don't have to talk about things like that. I take real action to deal with those issues in a positive way every day in my line of work.

    Exactly HOW do you go about channeling your energy into all these deep topics? Tell us, O wise wolf.
  5. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    If you don't like it, tough. Go howl at the moon.
  6. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I will say whatever I want on here, as often as I please, as long as I am not breaking any of the rules of the board. If it annoys you, read someone else's posts.
  7. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Here are my 2 cents...

    Being nostalgic about the old days is ok at times. To be nostalgic means (and I'm quoting from the dictionary here) – to be unhappy at being away and longing for familiar things or persons. You may miss seeing the classic characters, skits, songs, and format of Sesame Street. You may want to see it back on TV. You may reminisce about the classic skits and shows, and even watch old tapes and clips. You may even share these things with others. This is being nostalgic; this is good; this is fun. But there is one thing I don't like, using nostalgic thoughts as a basis for hate. The two (nostalgia and dislike) are mutually exclusive.

    I miss seeing Roosevelt Franklin, but I don't use that to justify hating Elmo. Say you enjoy Sesame Street from 1982-1987, that's fine - but to say that because of you love “old school sesame” you need attack Sesame Street of today is uncalled for.

    If you want to share dislike for the current Sesame Street I’m ok with that. I don’t think everyone in the world does (or should have to) love Sesame Street of 2005. But if you want to attack it, and claim it is bad give rational, fair and unprejudiced reasons. Saying “it use to be better", or "it isn't how it use to be", or "in the 1970's Sesame Street was more fun and less annoying" means nothing as solid argument. Although I disagree, I would respect an argument of "Elmo's speech and social skills set bad examples for kids today", rather than hearing "Snuffy no longer being imaginary is stupid; thus the show now is", or “Harvey Kneeslapper and Sherlock Hemlock are gone, the show is just dumb now.”Things change.

    Judge the show of today as a show of today, not as a show of today which should be exactly the same as when you were a kid. Things change - entertainment values, education techniques, social environments, performers, ideas - in 35+ years the show could not (and has not stayed the same). Just because it is different does not make it worse (it does not necessarily make it better either).

    Kids like the show, kids watch the show, kids enjoy the show. That’s not to say they wouldn’t do the same to the old show – or that they would like one more than the other – but saying Sesame Street has changed a lot thus it is no longer good it nonsense. If you want to say why the Sesame of 2005 is bad, go ahead – but don’t include on your list of reasons 2005’s Street is bad things like “No more Buster the Horse”, “Snuffy is real”, or “The fix-it Shop was cooler than a Mail-it shop” – include things like “Journey to Ernie is over repetitive and boring for kids”, or “Elmo’s world focuses on one character and setting too much”, or “Baby Bear is not a relatable character”. Don’t judge Sesame of today against the Sesame of the past. Judge the sesame of today against today. Comparing it to the past will always cause a battle as some people prefer today’s while other prefer yesterday’s – and that’s a hard thing to argue which is better – unless you use unbiased, independent objections against the show, rather than just broad and subjective claims of the show dying or being killed due to change. I have nothing agaisnt reminising, I have nothing agaist critiqueing - I do have something agaist unfair, bias, and illogical compairisons as basis for argument and dislike.

    I don’t know if anything I just said made any sense. It is late at night now (or should I say early morning), and I’m rambling and ranting. But as I learned from this thread – I have a right to. So hope you got something out of this post.
    Hakuna Matata: you gotta put your behind in the past... Err...what I meant to say is you gotta put the past behind you… But you must never forget the ones of the past. Embrace change!
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Preach brother preach. I've been on this site since it first came to Vbulliten. And ALL I've been hearing are the Same posts, about the same crap over and over. Heck, I USED to be one of those Anti-Elmo people. but then I grew... grew knowing there are much worse things in life than not seeing Sam the Machine without a tape trade. Personally, I'm more worried about Disney owning the Muppets than not seeing the 123456789101112 twice on every episode, DISPITE the fact that it's on at least 2 DVD's by now.

    In GeeBee's opinion, everyone who wants to see the show live on is just a boring poster.... Guess what, we're as sick of defending it as you are of hearing it. Ya don't like that a kid's show is for kids? You don't like how they wore the sketches out after reptitive play and wanna give them a break? Fine. Tape Trade.

    Personally, every since Newbie to the SS forum just parrots the same thing over and over. I feel these are just as bad as the same old "whut R the 2 guys in the balconey names R?" and "wuz Mis Piggie evrr on sesumy street?" posts that keep popping up on the board. maybe if we can just put all the same complaints into one solid thread, and not having every body post 87777 threads a week about the same opinionated opinion, to which the REAL Muppet and SS fans have to pretty much type up a form letter to answer.

    The bottom line is... today's kids are not you. SW doesn't have to form fit the show to nostalgic people. They HAVE to form fit it for little Suzie and Tommy Everykid that's in the demographic of 2-4! I would like to see the classic stuff released to DVD or something like all of you. That I can agree on. But us REAL Muppet and SS fans, who stick with them no matter what happens are as sick of defending the show, as we are of you fair weather fans polluting the message board with the same opinion at least 3 times every day!

    After all, that IS why Phil cracked the SS forum into 2, for nostalgic fans and for people who supported the show since they were young.
  9. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf New Member

    I agree. And I would also add the tired old "are Ernie and Bert gay" question to that list. It's as old as the hills and no longer funny or original.

    BTW, I hope you didn't mind my bumping up that other thread in the classic SS forum and using part of your quote for my own purposes. I did it because I wanted to prove what I already knew -- that I wasn't the only one who felt this way.

    What amazes me even more though, is that those who complain about the state of current SS, still watch it pretty regularly even though they don't like it. I mean, let's say you knew someone who say for example, doesn't like little kids, and yet eats lunch at Chuck E. Cheese every day I would wonder why they would subject themselves to that if they don't like kids and I wouldn't have any sympathy for their complaining either. :confused: Some people are just born masochits, I guess.
  10. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    Then why do you want to be on this site?

    Then stop defending it and stop reading my posts.

    Nobody has to type or answer anything that they don't want to. Why don't you simply ignore the type of threads you don't like and focus on the aspects of MC message boards that you enjoy? Or is there any aspect of MC message boards that you enjoy? It sounds like you have nothing, but contempt for the messages and all of the people on here. Why punish yourself? In any case, I will continue to say what I want as long as I'm not breaking any rules and I certainly encourage everyone else to do the same.
  11. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I'll say some people are born masochists. Just look at the people who read posts that they don't like and then complain about them. I can't speak for other nostalgic adults, but personally I don't watch current episodes of Sesame Street.
  12. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I don't really see where hating a TV Show is so terrible. It's hating people that causes problems.
  13. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    True, but this post WAS about modern Sesame Street. It was an opinion that the show was slowly dying in its current format and asking for suggestions about what could be done about it.
  14. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    I have nothing agaisnt hating TV Shows, but only if your reason is senceable - nostalgia is not a reason for hating. Your feeling of nostalgia is not releated towards defining something today as good or bad (or "dead").

    I've re-read through this post and was wondering; what about the modern Sesame Street is so horribile? What don't you like about today's Sesame Steet? What changes are causing the show to be "the living dead", "being murdered", and "slowly dying"?
  15. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf New Member

    Well if you don't watch it, then how can you say it's quality isn't good?! :confused:

    And you keep telling me, "If you don't like my opinion, don't read it." Umm...it's not that simple. I like reading and posting in the discussion threads here and if I want to do that there's no way I can avoid reading the same redundant complaining you've been doing for so long.

    You say you'll continue posting your opinion here wether the rest of us like it or not. Fine. You have just as much right to post here as any of us, but so do I. And I will continue to post MY opinion to tell you how annoying your incessant whining is, wether you like it or not.
  16. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    It's not that I don't like what you're saying. I don't understand why you are saying it. What about the modern Sesame Street is so horribile? What don't you like about today's Sesame Steet? What changes are causing the show to be "the living dead", "being murdered", and "slowly dying"?

    Vintage Sesame Street is not a problem, but neither is modern Sesame Street. modern sesame street is not currupting or boring kids either. And if you don't like the loooong and boring posts defending modern Sesame Street, don't read them! "there is a little "X" in the upper right hand corner of most computers that will easily solve your problem." :p
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    TO TALK ABOUT THE WORKS OF HENSON! I thought that was fairly obvious.


    Contempt, eh? Am I the one harassing members about their avitars, or screen names? Am I the one who keeps spamming people 3+ times in a row in the same thread, then starts 3 other threads about how much you cannot stand anyone having a different opinion than you?

    NO. I'm the one telling you to CALM DOWN! I'm the hateful contemtuous one? Reread all your posts...

    A lot of us here, who WANT to be here have had it with you. I'm giging you a friendly warning to calm down, and keep this kind of "Broken record" complaining at the very least in the classic SS forum.

    If this continues to go on, I'll make sure you are warned by Phil. And then, maybe you're banning. You have done NOTHING constructive here, just whined and whined. This is not a hateful comment, nor an opinion. It is real!

    I'll stop defending, since there is no way you'll ever listen to a reasonable opinion or post, other than to start attacking it with zero tolerance.

    As for Gelfling Waldo, and Lone Wolf.... let's give up the fight, and give our energy to something actually worth talking about....
  18. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I used to watch it until I couldn't take it anymore sometime in the late 90's.

    You don't have to read or respond to my posts, but if you wish to try to match what you call "whining" to whining of your own, go right ahead. Sometimes it's good to hear the wolf's side of the story. I will continue to say what I have to say. If you don't like, you can just go log off.
  19. Censored

    Censored Well-Known Member

    I've got news for you, cat. A lot of people have had it with you too. I've seen your negativity extend to a lot of people on here. I've gotten personal messages from other users, calling you a "jerk." (Their word, not mine).

    You don't even know the meaning of the word "spam" and your're just showing your lack of knowledge.

    You can take your warning and stick it in Inspector Gadget. I will continue to say what I want as long I brake no rules.

    Yes, I think you should give up the fight. You're going to give yourself a heart attack. Calm down, for crying out loud and watch a vintage SS show.

    Peace. :)
  20. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    I don't see this differance of opinon as a fight, I'm just trying to understand what GeeBee's opinion. Except we keep geting of topic and talking about people's right to say things rather than the discussion of why Sesame Street is "slowly dying".

    GeeBee, I am courious, what is it about the modern Sesame Street is so horribile? What don't you like about today's Sesame Steet? What changes are causing the show to be "the living dead", "being murdered", and "slowly dying"?

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