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Worst Muppet Film

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Beauregard, Apr 21, 2004.

  1. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member


    Like I said that Muppet Special just plan stinks. Cage dancing......I mean what were they thinking?
  2. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Dispite all the bad stuff in VMC, however, there was that spark of real Muppet magic taht made it worth watching again.

    The scene where Fozzie runs through the lasors strikes me as being the scene most truthfull to Fozzie Bear's MS character from any of the movies.
  3. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    :attitude: I can kind of see where you are coming from. But let me ask this, when was the last time the Muppet Characters had to do anything so much out of desperation that they would risk bodily harm.

    True to Character, when was the last time Fozzy bear was portrayed as a complete and udder buffoon, Out side of MTI where he was supposed to be a half-whit.

    What was that spark of magic you were talking about? May be something left over from the lasers.

    May be it was Sam the Eagle talking about his Propecia, or Kermit wishing he had never been born. :attitude:
  4. Rugby

    Rugby Well-Known Member

    The 'wished he'd never been born' bit was taken from the old Christmas classic, It's A Wonderful Life, but I think you maybe know that. It wasn't just some weird in your face thing they made up like the cage grinding club scenes.
  5. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Ahh. Ok.

    Here's the sparks of magic from that movie:

    1. KERMIT: It's over. ROBIN: Yeah, but we'll all just work together and everything will be allright again. Right?
    2. PIGGY: Kermit kissed me!
    3. When Kermit sings "Everyone matters"
    4. GONZO: Red nose, people being rude and calling names. Kermit, meet the new star of our show, Rizzo the Snow Rat. KERMIT: I thought you'd go for Rizzo the RatDeer. GONZO: Nah, that's too obvious.
    5. Fozzie's face when he realises that he had to go through the lasors.
    6. Fozzie's face when he realises that the sack has been left at the other side of the lasors.
    7. Fozzie upset when Kermit finds him.
    8. LEW ZEALAND: I'll do my fabulous singing fish!
    9. LEW ZEALAND: I'll do my fabulous singing fi... KERMIT: No. no thanks. LEW: Here Murry.

    Do you want some more?

    There were good bits in it, and there will be good bits in WoO. maybe not for Oz fans, but for Muppet fans there will be something.

  6. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Good Bits

    All I am going to say is take those bits that you have just mentioned and then compare them to The Muppet Movie, or MCC, or MTI, or even Return to OZ which was a Disney film full of Jim Henson’s creatures and creations. I would even say compare those moments to MGM's Wizard of OZ which is a very unfair I know. The fact is that those moments you mentions just don't cut it, not for me, and not for my kids.

    In fact if you compare this Muppet Christmas special to "it's A Wonderful Life" which it was taken from the Old black and white film wins out every time. Wonderful Life is entertaining, heart warming, charming, and well just good clean fun in the spirit of the holiday, with a strong moral at the end.

    The Muppets missed the mark. It is a different story when the questions you have to answer come from your kids. I mean imagine how hard it is to explain to a 5 year old why Kermit not only shouted once, but a dozen of times that he wished he had never been born.

    You might say that it was not a show for young children, but id not for children then for whom? Granted the Muppet show had elements that were in a way on an adult level, but I never got the kind of question watching that as I did with this special from my kids.
  7. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Well, there you have it. (to some extent) the film is not made for children. I havn't let my brothers and sisters from 10 down see it. And my 11 year old brother I havn't let see the scene in Club Dot.

    You may call me over protective, but that's why you have questains from kids and I don't.
  8. pppapazo

    pppapazo Active Member

    They were thinking: What is the most horrible, awful thing that could happen to the Muppets in a world where Kermit had never been born? Scooter turning into a goth cage dancer is a horrible, awful thing. It's the exact opposite of who Scooter is. But it has to be disturbing if Kermit is to realize that the world is a much, much better place with him in it.

    To say that VMX stinks or that it missed the mark is wrong, because that is totally subjective. I think it's far better than Muppet Treasure Island and Muppets From Space even if it isn't the same league as the first three movies. I like VMX a lot and, as far as I'm concerned, it's a good thing that the writers and director are working on Oz. I hope they've gotten even better since VMX.

    Now, you may think that it stinks or that it missed the mark, but that's your opinion and you're entitled. Don't say it like it's fact, though.
  9. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Scooter Cage-Dancing: My opinion:

    Why? Admittedly, yes, it is perhaps teh worst thing that could happen to him, but why (in a world devoid of Kermit) would he be doing that? Is it because his Uncle sold the Muppet theatre to Miss Bitterman, and he joined up there instead of the Muppet Show?

    Is it caues Kermit once gave him soem serious talks on the subject when he was younger, and now they were gone? Hmm. Wonders.

    Personally, I believe that if Scooter was the sweet young man that he was when he joined the Muppet Show (not as a result of) then he would be such still, no?

    And also, Robin. WOuld Robin ever really do that, even without Kermit? He woudl have still had Kermit's brothers and sisters to teach him, right?
  10. pppapazo

    pppapazo Active Member

    Robin was just being a busboy. Nothing really wrong with that in my book.
  11. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    I am not stating facts any more than any one else is here. I am only expressing my views on the subject.

    I was thinking that Fozzie would still be telling bad jokes at the El-Sleezo Cafe where Kermit originally found him, not a pick pocket. And Wouldn't Piggy be working as an actress model, winning beauty pageants in the middle of Kansas? Bunsen and Beaker still working to perfect insta-grow pills in an old western ghost town. I think the Electric Mayhem band would have there coffee shop in an old church playing great music and being mellow and profitable.

    Or may be not, I really do not know. :confused:
  12. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Yes, well, I guess you are right there.

    However, I think that without Kermit Miss Piggy may have turned out the way she was portrayed in the movie. My reasoning being that she would have been in commecials, and then she would have thought she could do better, therefore she would have overacted and eventually she'd have been fired.

    And so the eternal wheel would turn.

    But, this conversation has somehow taken a strange turn to a disscusion of the evil and good of VMC. So, back to topic we shall go!
  13. DanDanStrawberry

    DanDanStrawberry Well-Known Member

    The scene with Miss Piggy in her apartment made me so sad! I'm so sad they have each other, I couldnt bare Piggy turning out that way!!! Overall, I'm very glad Kermit was born, or rather, I'm very glad Kermit evolved from a spongy egg to a tadpole, lost his tail, sprouted legs and met a pig with curly blonde hair!!
  14. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Heh. I think you made a mistake in your post there.
  15. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Getting back on track

    Yes lets all get back on track here I think that would really be good.

    I think Piggy might have tured out like that too, and it does break my heart.

    I think it os so sad when kermit and Fozzie are looking for the money and Fozzie says...."Does it help that I feel really bad".

    Oh man I could just cry.

    Any way I guess you all know that i think this was the worst muppet film to date.
  16. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Which must mean that you have not seen Kermit's Swamp years.
  17. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    I think it would've been better if the angel paid Fozzie a visit instead of Kermit. Fozzie went through such a horrible experience trying to do the right thing, but failed. So he should see what life would've been like without Fozzie Bear. That way he wouldn't feel so bad.
  18. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Yes, that would be interesting, but who's lives has Fozzie changed in the Muppets?

    I think that Statler and Waldorf would have been quite different people without him, and certainly Chuckie would never have existed ;) But, who else has he influenced enough for them to change if he was gone?
  19. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member


    I think this kind of goes back to what I was saying about them all being connected. Of course they all have had an effect on eachother...think of the Muppet Show with out Fozzie. Think if Kermit had never discovered Him at the El-Sleezo Cafe, they all have had an effect on eachother, and are all who they are because of eachother. That is what gives each of them, and each of us purpose in life.

    I mean God even says she does not have to worry about kermit because he always does the right thing, and everything does work out right in the end.

  20. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    By 'God' I persume you mean "The Boss".

    I kinda find it hard to get my head aroudn WHopie Goldburg being God. ;)

    But seriosuly, I found her very funny, but somewhat disturbing as that persona. A coffee shrub? Spongebob? Tic-tac-toe thing or the squiggly-bug thing?

    All very funny lines, and laugh out loud moments, but with her being God, it kinda made me feel a bit popped, if you know what I mean. I'd rather the Muppets stayed out of religion, and kept to the world. You know?

    Bea:zany:{And I am saying this as a Christian, btw}regard

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