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Your Thoughts: Muppets From Space

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by animal86, Jul 30, 2003.

  1. Bob1995

    Bob1995 Well-Known Member

    Um, I get your point, but from the perspective of the writers, they dropped it from the continuity once Disney bought the Muppets. It's like they burn the script to keep the continuity in place.
  2. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    I don't mean to question how big of a fan you are or nothing like that, but I never heard of a Muppet fan that doesn't remember the Muppet Movie. It's not excatly a "modern movie" as it came out in 1979, so needless to say the songs aren't "modern" either.

    I don't know why you're lumping in "the magic store" with those songs, :confused:, or really why you brother to mention "modern music" and you're dislike for it. The Muppets have already done a little rapping have you seen the Coolio episode of "Muppets Tonight?"
    It happens classic characters like Muppets are always going to do whatever to seem "hip and cool." I don't think they'll go to the level of making them sing some god awful "emo" songs, but stuff like signing rap or modern pop songs like they did in "Studio DC: Almost Live" is going to happen.

    Back to MFS, though, I don't care for the whole Gonzo is an allien idea. I think it was more or less a cheap answer to a question people have been wondering for years. I like that Disney upon owning the Muppets have dropped the whole "he's an allien idea" and turned him back to an "whatever." They didn't drop it all together though, they use that as a theory as to what Gonzo could be, which is fine.
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    In 2007 Dave Goelz appeared at the YBCA in San Francisco for the Jim Henson screenings. Gonzo was at hand and he admitted to being an alien when asked. It didn't seem like a big deal to him. I don't care for that origin either or what befell Muppets From Space, but ask a Muppet any question on any day and you're bound to get a variety of conflicting answers. Muppets are less about cannon and more about humor. Personally, I wish they'd abandon the alien thing altogether. I suppose there's still a segment of younger fans attached to the alien origin in Muppets From Space. So that's what I know firsthand about the character.
  4. Fluffets

    Fluffets Well-Known Member

    I didn't say it was modern music, it obviously isn't by quite a few decades. And of course i sorta do, because I've seen TMM quite a few times on dvd. And I didn't lump it at all. I was just saying that I somehow didn't remember quite a song of that title in that movie and it's probably because I can't understand all lyrics that well although usually I have a problem with mainly modern lyrics. Not that it is a modern song. I was also saying that I probably can't understand lyrics of modern music because they aren't tha good, or hearable. And on that note I hope the muppets don't stoop to the level of most modern musicians. And personally I don't think they dropped the idea. I'm not trying to act like an idiot here but what makes you think he isn't n alien? Just because he stayed with the muppets doesen't mean his family isn't the aliens.:concern::concern:
  5. Fluffets

    Fluffets Well-Known Member

    Good point too:). I can see why some people are happy with that but it answers a long-asked muppet question so I'm all for it.:D:D
  6. Fluffets

    Fluffets Well-Known Member

    Plus I meant I couldn't remember the song, of course I'd remember the movie, it's the best, my Mum saw it at the cinema when she was a kid and since I'm in one of my interests phases then I got it on dvd. I usually find out about my interests over 10 times. And then when I move on I find out about my next interest. etc.....
  7. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    But there was also times Dave Golez as Gonzo had the character of Gonzo saying he was all happy to find out who he really is and as disapponted when Frank Oz himself told Gonzo "that was just a movie." You're right that the Muppets aren't really about Cannon.

    Here is the youtube video if you've never seen it.

    Like I said they Disney didn't drop the idea all together, but they used that as a theory as to what Gonzo is rather than a total yes he's an alien.

    I never said because Gonzo stayed with the Muppets that's proof he's not an alien, :attitude:, nor did I really say I don't think he's an alien. What I did say or at least meant to say, is that I enjoy the idea of Gonzo being a "Whatever" meaning no one knows what he is, I guess the reason I enjoy that the most is cause I've grown up not knowing what Gonzo is or suppose to be, and in my opinion giving him some bogus origin out of nowhere like oh he's an alien just takes away from the character a little, :concern:. In some ways that's what helped made Gonzo the special character he is, though I guess I can see why some people like the whole idea of him being an alien and it at least gives people some answer to a question they've been wanting to know the answer to, though in my opinion, this is one of those questions better left unanswered.
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Thanks for that. I enjoy the ambiguity of the Weird One. I like that Frank Oz is still kicking butt with the Muppets in one way or another. :super:

    Packaging any character too far into a box is always a bad idea. It limits their humor (and they have to travel that way anyway).
  9. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    You're very welcome frogboy4, I hope you've enjoy that as much as I did.

    And yeah I agree, packaging too much can be a bad idea.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The funny thing about Gonzo is that, if you think about it, they always managed to lump him up with outer space and alien stuff like that. Not saying that he was an alien, outside of Baby Gonzo's theoretic origin story on Muppet Babies, which was in his imagination anyway.... but there seemed to be some sort of connection somehow. or just a series of odd co-incidences. Like Gonzo just so happened to have the space shoot'em up in the game Chaos at the Carnival, or that Gonzo played an alien in the Atari 2600 game as well.

    Personally, I chalk it up to Gonzo's inner spaciness. Dude's personality may not be of this world, but that doesn't mean he really was an alien.

    I still think it wouldn't have been too complex a plot point to reveal that they weren't really his alien brethren.

    That said, I really enjoyed the chemistry that Jeffery Tambor had with Bobo. I really think that Muppet OZ would have been a little better had they given the wizard that Jeffery played Bobo as his assistant. Such a missed opportunity.
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I can understand not connecting that song at the end of the Muppet Movie with the title "The Magic Store." Even if that is the title, the phrase is only mentioned once and it's not that prominent. So no worries. :)
  12. Fluffets

    Fluffets Well-Known Member

    I hope though that no one else thinks that I couldn't remember the film. Of course I meant the song, I was just typing in the way I might say it. I can't edit it now!:eek: If i did edit it I'd change it so I'd say "Wait, it was in the muppet movie?" :)
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yeah it's weird that you can't edit things after awhile. But I think it's been explained. :)
  14. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Well-Known Member

    I think Gonzo is a puppet.


    I actually really dug MFS, and I don't know why. A lot of people make very strong and well thought out statements about the Muppets playing characters vs. the Muppets playing themselves, and that's probably why MFS is my favorite post Jim Muppet film.
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Did you see MFS in the theater or on home video? The small screen experience is much different and better one in my experience. After the opening number - the scope of the script that they went with didn't suit the big screen. I remember getting restless in the theater more than I do when I stick in the disc at home.

    There was just so much opportunity squandered in the writing and direction. The joy was missing for me along with the number of clever quips that MTI had in abundance. Still I prefer the Muppets being themselves.

    I just wish they'd been given more to do in Tim Hill's movie. I feel it's a D grade film, but a C video. I'd rather it been an hour-long TV special and VMX been a fleshed-out full theatrical feature. Well, if they'd offered a bit more music and some happier moments. :o Still, those projects were years apart. I just want to hear the Segel movie's in active production.
  16. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Well-Known Member

    I saw it in the theater. Yeah, it coulda' been better, and it felt thin, but I still enjoyed it.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I wish they'd kept the energy of the opening throughout the picture along with Jerry Juhl's original vision.

    Today's audiences expect more humor than ever before. The Simpsons can wedge a dozen gags a minute every week. There's no need for Kermit to look so bored in a feature film.

    There was a fun film in MFS and it shows through in bits and pieces, but I kept wanting to jerk the camera away from the director and point it at the far more interesting avenues in the margins of the movie. Also the idea to scrap any original music was strange. People always claim the film musical is dead, then a Moulin Rouge, Chicago or even High School Musical hits the theaters and makes a fortune.

    I understand the MFS love. It's just once that opening day I really felt it was over for the Muppet brand for a long time to come. It's ten years later and things are looking up.
  18. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I've said it before, but I'm still in the "I can believe Gonzo is an alien." group. HOWEVER, he is a whatever first and foremost. I think part of the awkwardness of the movie was that it wasn't really needed. And it could have been handled so much better. But it wasn't something that really needed to be gone into anyway.

    But for all the hard times the fans give this movie, it did have its bright spots. Jeffery Tambor and Bobo were pretty funny. Gonzo, while he did come off as being almost an entirely different character from his Muppet Show days, was at least sincere. Many of the other Muppets just didn't have the same feeling or connection that they had in other movies and series that came before.
  19. Fluffets

    Fluffets Well-Known Member

    Good point. Also was there ever a "dedicated to Jim Henson" bit in ANY of the films?
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Muppet Christmas Carol was dedicated to Jim Henson and Richard Hunt. The first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film was also dedicated to Jim Henson because the Creature Shop created the animatronic suits. Muppets From Space has a little nod to Jim Henson when Kermit reads his local newspaper - The Hensonville Observer. We make a nod to that on this site in the background of the News section menu.

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