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Your Thoughts: Muppets Letters to Santa

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Dec 17, 2008.


What did you think of the "Letters to Santa" special?

  1. I loved "Letters to Santa".

    74 vote(s)
  2. "Letters to Santa" was good.

    71 vote(s)
  3. "Letters to Santa" was just so-so.

    27 vote(s)
  4. I disliked "Letters to Santa".

    13 vote(s)

  1. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the link. I'm actually brining my daughte up to the school I work at so we can watch it tonight.
  2. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

  3. CoOKiE

    CoOKiE Member

    Ok i'm kickin myself for this one...

    I've been doing this new thing where i don't expect much of anything and when something great happens (which really turns up most of the time) i enjoy things much better... this time i failed. I expected too much of it.

    I came here way too late and really dont have time to read every page of this thread... so please just take anything i say as my opinion.

    First... i should say that i did enjoy watching it... and was happy to see Gonzo being a big character. Not that hes my favorit... but it was unexpected and i enjoyed it. I enjoyed it more then i didn't like it.

    Second... theres nitpicky things i can list... but i'll only go for the big things. I really thought that getting into the muppets was a hard thing. They have this HUGE fan base... and they ruined some characters by their casting. Scooter isn't himself in this one. I really am turning into an old man who doesn't like change... but i really wish they kept things basic... sorry for jumping around... His voice is somethin i can get used to... but his character isn't him anymore and a huge part of that is the writers fault.

    Lew zealand (the worst place to be when spelling getting a muppet's name wrong lol) needs someone who can sound alot more like him. I was disscused with this casting choice.

    Waldawrf and Statler... Their jokes were worse the Fozzie's for once. I honestly didn't like 1 joke they had... and they always had hard hitter's in the past... ALWAYS.

    And the WORST thing that got to me was Gonzo's change. What happened to him enjoying daring things? When gripped to the plane he was scared for his life. Falling... which he often loves... was another thing that made him scream. What happened here? Did anyone else notice this?

    Like i said... i dont have time to go in the back pages and read all the comments... so please dont feel you have to repeate yourself... just look at this as venting :)

    But i hope they're not using the same writer's for the feature film
  4. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    I thought this was very good. I liked how Gonzo was the star of this film again.

    And how Beauregard made a quick appearance even though he didn't have any lines.

    It's about time something good happened to Beaker when he got himself a girl.

    And having Paul Williams write for them makes it almost feel like old school Muppet stuff again. :)
  5. CoOKiE

    CoOKiE Member

    ok after venting... i read some of the posts...

    i have to stick up for the movie to make balence of my negitive words...

    Kermit... ok yea you say hes all caring now more so then back then when chickens were hitting the fan (just for a pun i'll add the WAH WAH WAH like nbc). Kermit was fine. He, in every movie... comes to a point where he wants to give up... but realizes once again what good that does... and turns things around for the better. I saw this when he was going back into his apartment after talking to Gonzo... Kermit has no negitive feedback from me.

    Sam the Eagle... hes another one that really did well... when others didn't like him.

    Miss Piggy being selfish in this movie? I complained alot... but not about her for a reason. I really feel that they did keep her character. She turned around at the end and that too was GREAT.

    Pepe... i didn't care for him in the past... like someone mentioned... he was put there in our faces and we were forced to like him... for that.. i never did. But that changed with this special. I didn't feel that he was the center at all... but just followed along and i LOVED that. I like him now. Not because of that... but because i dont feel that hes a focus character.

    As mentioned... Gonzo did GREAT. I read that someone was upset and wanted him off to the side... i think for anyone to be in his spot for this movie... it shoulda been him. I dont feel that hes the BEST character either... but he did perfect here. Kermit couldn't because of the same reason someone else complained. Kermit can give you the shirt off his back... but he needs that push. Gonzo doesn't need that push because hes daring and will do anything. He said "i need to deliever this" and he did. Kermit, as mentioned... didn't believe in it at first till Gonzo gave him that push... and it was excellent.

    So... there... not everything was bad about this movie... IMO...
  6. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    WOW! i loved it (after it was over Muppet Central.com wouldnt let me on...alot of traffic i take it lol) I taped it and watched it right after...and I am right now lol :) loved it loved it..even my dad called me during telling me he and ma was watchin it :) I loved the opening song (as we seen on NBC.com) was there 2 Fozzie puppets or was i just wanting to think that? Also NOT big parts but Teeth, Flotd, Janice, Zoot, Rowlf, Crazy Harry, and Robin all said somthing, and that made me HAPPY...tho i didnt like Robins voice at the end when they where singing. But im glad he did talk tho! :) I LOVE Kermit and the gang on the wing of the plan hahaha...funny! also at the end after it had the Muppets Studio logo there was a "Walt Disney Studios" logo after it too!
  7. Muppetplus

    Muppetplus New Member

    I enjoyed this muppet special. It had a lot of heart, and was also humorous. My parents also enjoyed it. It was nice to see a lot of old friends (the Electric Mayhem, Scooter, Robin, Lew Zeland, Rowlf, Crazy Harry).

    However, the plot did seem a bit too kidyish. Pepe sounded a bit different. Also, whatever happened to Gonzo and Rizzo as a team? Don't get me wrong, Pepe and Rizzo make a great team. In fact, I would like to see Gonzo, Rizzo, and Pepe as a three man... I mean three muppet team.

    Also, if you compare this to classics like The Muppets at Walt Disney World or The Great Muppet Caper, those are adventures that the whole muppet gang go on, and there is plenty of screen time for almost all of the characters. In this special, the more popular characters get most of the attention, and the other characters have very little to do.

    Overall, this special was still good, but it could have been longer.
  8. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    Okay. Here are my thoughts. I won't say too much here since there's not to much to say that hasn't been said in thirteen pages of posts. But anyway, I think it's a good idea to have Gonzo as a main character. After all, Kermit was the main character in IVAMCM, so I guess they couldn't think of much more they could have done with him. I do agree with whoever said it was out of character for Gonzo to not like flying like that when he usually enjoys doing daring stunts. I also think they could have done more with Piggy though. Her appearance here does seem to be lighter than it was in previous Muppet specials/movies. They could have shown part with her heading to the Carribean or something like that. As for David's Scooter, I think that needs improvement. He often sounds a bit too much like Baby Bear. About his Janice, well since she didn't have a lot of lines it's still hard to tell. Anyway, I liked this overall. I'll probably think of more to say later on. As for the cast list. Let me see if I can't figure this out.

    Steve Whitmire: Kermit, Rizzo, Beaker, Statler
    Eric Jacobson: Miss Piggy, Fozzie, Animal, Sam the Eagle
    Dave Goelz: Gonzo, Bunsen Honeydew, Zoot, Waldorf
    Bill Baretta: Pepe, Bobo, Swedish Chef, Rowlf, Dr. Teeth
    John Kennedy: Floyd
    David Rudman: Scooter, Janice, Robin
    John Henson: Sweetums

    I don't know who performed Crazy Harry though. Also, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
  9. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Robin sounded like either Drew Massey or Victor Yerred to me (I can't tell which one is which).

    And, I love the line in Gonzo's song: "That special place where the good guy lives and the best intentions start."
  10. CoOKiE

    CoOKiE Member

    Thank you!

    Also, I agree with Oscar Fan... i think that song was REALLY good. The rest of the music was a blur to me. I'll have to rewatch it. But someone mentioned that the music was horrible... i have to say tho that Gonzo's song there was great.
  11. Dr. Bombay

    Dr. Bombay Member

    I had to laugh at the comments about Santa...too funny!

    Being one of the minority where I didn't enjoy it I must say that it had nothing to do with the inclusion of Santa. In fact, there should've been MORE to do with Santa, but in the time constraints what ya gonna do?

    My complaints merely have to do with the fact that I thought the writing and the schmaltzy songs were played down to children whereas I don't believe the Muppets have ever done that before. It seems in every other appearance of the Muppets, the songs were well-written to where children and adults enjoy them.

    I will say I am going to watch it again to make sure I'm placing it on the bottom of the Muppet Christmas themed movies/specials list.
  12. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Well...I'm not going to take the time to get into the whole arguement about Santa, but I will give my favorite parts of the special.

    I thought it was a cute new Muppety special. The only thing is, it was too short. Not sure if you could carry that kind of story line any further but I would have liked more.

    Sam Eagle's bit was perfect.

    Glad they are bringing Scooter back into the mix but I wasn't crazy about David Rudman's performance. I thought the character's puppetry was bad and the voice sounded too much like Baby Bear. That's all I could think about. What ever happened to the guy that performed Scooter in MWoO? That was spot on! You'd think that if they hit the nail, they would hold onto that performer. Still nice that Scooter was given moments.

    Eric Jacobson was good as Piggy, but where was she? She was hardly in the thing at all. The special needed more Piggy. I also felt that Whoopi Goldberg's cameo was too short. They could have played more with that.

    Beaker and Bunsen's bits were written well. However, what was up with that chin on Bunsen? That was the strangest thing ever and probably my biggest complaint about the whole thing.

    I absolutely LOVED the song between Fozzie and Gonzo. Best moment of the whole show!

    Overall...It was fun!
  13. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the Busen puppet was horrid. He could barely move the mouth!
  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I don't agree..I mean they aren't Fraggle Rock songs of course, but they are far from awful, and at the very least have more heart than most of the new Christmas cartoon songs..As far as someone saying they are written for children...I dunno, this holiday is one of the times our inner child shines brightest so why would that be a bad thing if it were true?:excited: Honestly I'd rather have something kidy that is at least liked by most people than something that is hated by most for trying too hard to be 'adult' and in the process loses more of the heart of the muppets to me :p.
    But like I said before VMX is my least favorite muppet film, so who am I to talk?

    My favorite song was actually not Gonzo's 'Santa' song but the 'Heart' song where everyone joins in..it is just so full of energy and takes me back to a time in the early 90's when you could count on the muppets to be on tv around this season :D. It wasn't that you hoped they would be on they just..were. That is the best feeling IMHO:flirt:

    It was really the last debate in the world I ever thought I would get in *lol* ^.^
  15. Never Say Croak

    Never Say Croak New Member

    I've watched it twice now, each time with my 11 year old daughter. Both times we've really enjoyed it. Many more positives than negatives, IMO. It's just so great to see fresh Muppet material - I'm very appreciative of that. Almost 30 years since The Muppet Movie, and the Muppets are alive and well, laughing, singing (Paul Williams, yeah!) and joking. Thanks Disney and NBC for such a wonderful Christmas gift. :)
  16. FatBlueMuppet

    FatBlueMuppet New Member

    This is by far, the very best Muppet project made after Jim's death. I loved it! Loved everything about it. It was great seeing Scooter with a speaking role, tho nothing will ever compare to Richard Hunt's Scooter. Still a pretty good match. The only thing that could have made it better, is if it was a 2 hour special, rather than a one hour special. Somebody mentioned how the conflict was too easily resolved. I think if it were a 2 hour special it could have been better in that aspect. But anyways it was a great special and it looks to me like the muppets are improving big time. Something I never thought would happen. I'm looking forward to the next Muppet film. :):o:concern:
  17. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    If the Muppets are now owned by Disney, I wonder why the special wasn't aired on ABC.
  18. SgtGonzoPepper

    SgtGonzoPepper New Member

    I don't have too much to say except: I thought it was really good. Especially after coming off of Studio DC which I felt lukewarm about. It seemed that for once every character got their moment, and I thought it worked all around. my only problem was how short it was, and the songs were all fairly "sappy". There weren't too many big, fast, funny songs. Overall I really liked it. NBC tends to have the best Muppet specials. :cool: Cool....
  19. CoOKiE

    CoOKiE Member

    Sadly... i liked Studio DC... it actually didn't feel as kiddyish then this special did. Which ruined the muppets.

    Say what you will... but i always believed that Jim seperated his projects towards certain age groups. SS for the little guys... Fraggle Rock for 7-12... n Muppets were more so for the older group.

    When Disney took over i felt they'd make the muppets for youngsters... I've been proven wrong... till now.
  20. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I agree, if it was longer there would have been more muppety problem solving:)...It's just like the episode type muppet shows, something always feels like it is rushed or not given enough depth, but it is the best they can do. Besides, if they didn't rush/skip things we'd have no reason to write fanfic:coy:...
    I don't think it ruined anything honestly :(. To me, DC felt more kids only because from the start it was dated with the Disney 'stars' of the moment trying to push muppet love on their main group of fans. LTS on the other hand seemed more timeless and aimed at the child in everyone IMHO, not just the this generation Disney Channel live action fan base...

    I have never really put any of the muppets (SS, FR or the main muppets) in marketing age based appeal boxes..to me they all live together, able to be loved by all ages, no matter how they started : ) ...

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