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Your Thoughts: Muppets Letters to Santa

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Dec 17, 2008.

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What did you think of the "Letters to Santa" special?

I loved "Letters to Santa". 74 vote(s) 40.2%
"Letters to Santa" was good. 70 vote(s) 38.0%
"Letters to Santa" was just so-so. 27 vote(s) 14.7%
I disliked "Letters to Santa". 13 vote(s) 7.1%

  1. Redsonga Active Member

    I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but that does not mean that those of us who do are wrong for loving it :). To me it is just as all ages as their other movies, and has a million times more heart that VMX and OZ put together :)
  2. MWoO Active Member

    I'm sorry but I can't even respond to someone who believes in Santa. You are saying, as an adult, that you love Santa. There is faith and then there is delusion.

    And yes, there was a St. Nicholas, and his ideas of generosity are represented in the modern Santa. However, that is different. You can hold the ideas of the man without believing he still exists.
  3. JJandJanice Active Member

    I updated my last post somewhat agreeing with you.

    And no I'm not saying that the adults in this special didn't come off as children to me, in fact the total oppisite they were total children. What I am saying, is I don't see how that's a bad thing. I think what they were trying to go for with the security guard isn't so much that he's an adult that's going to ride a trike, more like he get something that brings him back to his childhood. It could of been written better to macth that, sure, but that idea has been done before outside of this special.

    At first my understanding of this debate was whether or not Santa should be real in the Muppet world, that is totally fine with me and doesn't come off silly in the least. Than this debate became the adults believing santa, which can be a bit silly and yes for this special I do agree with you could have been written better.
  4. MWoO Active Member

    I'm not saying you are wrong for liking it nor am I saying I didn't like it. I'm saying the adults came off as childish and that the way Santa was handled made the show come off as childish. I enjoy Sesame Street Christmas specials, but I don't delude myself into thinking they are not childish either. I appreciate them for what they are.
  5. Gonzo14 Active Member

    I loved it, i thought it was great, my only complaint is that most of the movie was just Kermit, Fozzie, Gonzo, Rizzo, and Pepe. The rest were only there for a few scenes in the beginning and then in the finale

    also, I had some questions about the recasts, since I'm adding this special to my database and i wanna get it right, Correct me if I'm wrong, i'm not positive on these

    David Rudman; Scooter/Janice/Robin
    Bill Baretta: Dr. Teeth
    Eric Jacobson: Animal/Sam the Eagle

    also, who provided the voices of Floyd, Sweetums, and Crazy Harry?
  6. JJandJanice Active Member

    I could be wrong so please don't totally take this to heart but I'm thinking Floyd was John Kennedy.

    Just to be sure I'll see if I can look it up somewhere, ;)

    Oh and Bill Baretta was Lew Zealand, he's did him in "Very Merry Muppet Christmas" as well
  7. Redsonga Active Member

  8. MWoO Active Member

    And thats what I'm trying to say. You can have Santa as a real person in the muppet world if you handle it correctly. I don't think it was handled correctly. For the most part the muppets exist in our world. They play by real world rules, except for being talking bears and frogs and chickens and things. In the real world Santa is not a real being that adults talk about as being real.
  9. MWoO Active Member

    Having a fondness for Kermit is not having faith. Faith is a belief that something is true that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Religion is faith based. Kermit is not something you can have faith in. You are using strong words. You may like the character, you may even love the character (but frankly I think you are using love too liberally, especially when you throw in bubblegum) but you can't have faith in Kermit unless you believe he is real.
  10. JJandJanice Active Member

    Ok we are starting to see more eye to eye on this subject. But I don't really think the Muppets live in your world, I just don't really see it. I see them living in a world much like ours, but not ours.

    Again though I do agree that it could of be handed better, in some respects it did come off more like Sesame Street (where most of the adults are just children) than a "core Muppets" or however you wish to put Kermit and the gang, :). But in defense of this special there probably wasn't enough real time to really make that point.
  11. Redsonga Active Member

    The muppet world may have some of our rules, but I don't see it as our world. It takes a bare outlines of our world rules and runs with them. If a world can have talking animals, I really don't think Santa still being a real person, and adults knowing and loving him is really that big of an issue, as the muppet world also has all sorts of magic to :excited:

    *sigh*
    In a way, Kermit is real, he stands for a lot of good elements of human nature that I have faith in, and that in a round about way makes his character real. That is all that I am saying, and why I say Santa is real to me. If that is not how things seem real to you, if real has to be something that is alive in the human sense and can only be that, then I am sorry but I don't agree.

    Since when has viewing the word and the things you like in it with true passion been a bad thing:excited:? If it is too 'liberal' I would rather be that, than feeling weighted down in everything I say by my age about things I really like, rather they be muppets or world culture..or gum :)
  12. MWoO Active Member

    When the muppets go on interviews do the performers go out and say "hey, this is my character now let me do some jokes" or do they go out as the characters. Did jim Henson guest host the tonight show or did Kermit and the muppets? Did Jim Henson throw the muppets a movie premier party for the muppet movie or did Kermit?

    The muppets have always been treated as if they live in our world.
  13. JJandJanice Active Member

    I think what Redsonga is trying to say is that if you believe in something it makes it real, at least to you.

    And Redsonga, I think what MWoO is trying to say, is that there is a difference between believing the ideas of something and believing that it exists in the same way we exist.

    But overall maybe we got a little too "carried away" with this debate, and get back to what we enjoy or didn't enjoy about this special, which is the whole point of this thread. I vote to end it here because I think we starting to bring in faith, which could lead to people debating over religion and that could lead to someone getting really mad or really hurt. What do you guys say, ;)
  14. MWoO Active Member

    I think faith shouldn't even be brought into a Santa discussion.

    Someone believing something and making it real to them personally is religion if we are talking about God. If we are talking about Kermit you better make sure you realize he's still a puppet. Suspending disbelief is great, but people still need to be grounded. At the end of the day Kermit is a fictional character. Same applies to Santa...seriously...Santa.
  15. unclematt Active Member

    I thought it was fantastic. I truly enjoyed the Crazy Harry, Sam the Eagle, Sweetums, Pops (even though it was nonspeaking), Robin and Rowlf appearences. Scooter and Robins voices could use some work and I agree about Bunsten's head but othe than that was truly impressed. WEven the writing seem to be right on.
  16. Redsonga Active Member

    And I am just saying that believing makes things as solid to me as seeing it, because the ideas that make us love the idea of Santa or the character of Kermit are as real as anything else the human mind can hold dear that we can't touch :excited:
    Of course I know he is a puppet, but that does not change my love of his character and my feeling that what made/makes up his soul as a character (From Mr. Henson mainly) is real and something to be treasured : ). Call that and my love of Santa religion if you want but that is really not how I mean it...

    To me the muppet live in this world of the roots of what it means to be human along with all our dreams, and magic:). They just teleport to our world now and then *lol*:coy:
  17. Gonzo14 Active Member

    also, some of you have mentioned a few of the characters looking off, am i the only one who thinks that Dr. Teeth has looked off since the Studio DC shows?
  18. JJandJanice Active Member

    I agree with you on that one, I think believing something makes it real too.
  19. unclematt Active Member

    I thought that Doctor Teeth looked and sounded fantastic. Better than MWoO
  20. Redsonga Active Member

    Scooter was a little odd, but I guess his voice was very one of a kind ...

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