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Your Thoughts: Sesame Street Season 43

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Phillip, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. JonnyBMuppetMan

    JonnyBMuppetMan Well-Known Member

    Hi, I'm new to forums since I'm not much of a talker. I figured I'd start on this thread since there's a lot to talk about this season. I won't ramble on about everything I liked, but I will say I was very impressed with the four episodes I caught last week (my DVR didn't record on Thurs. so I missed one :grouchy:).

    I was especially amazed with Elmo the Musical. Admittedly, I like Elmo's World (and appreciate it for its classic Sesame elements that people tend to overlook), but I agree with the general consensus here that the segment's run its course and that Elmo the Musical is an excellent replacement. There's an aspect to it that actually reminds me of The Muppet Show, complete with singing and dancing chickens! LOL
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I've often said that EW is basically a condensed 15 minute rehash of all the approaches Sesame Street has taken to teaching subjects, only shown all at once and on the same subject. I will say that EW had its moments (the epic return of Kermit to Sesame Street for one... and the Ears episode having multiple Looney Tunes references, especially the "wrong turn at Albuquerque" for another). There are two frames of hatedom on that segment. One being the standard Old School anti-Elmo, anti-segment crowd, the other who thought it was too long and felt Elmo was more a mascot than a character. I fell into the latter.

    The true problem with the segment was that it was a gone horribly right situation. It was popular with the wrong demographic, something that usually kills a TV series... look no further than Freakazoid. The show went from a preschool-kindergarten audience to a younger than three toddler audience. Considering the show wants to go into deeper math and science subjects (the STEAM), it seems like those concepts would be lost to an EW watching audience that has 15 minutes on one simple subject.

    ETM fulfills the need to make the show's demographic older (old enough to understand some of the new concepts, anyway), and I guess these parents are fuming because they still think the show is for babies and toddlers.
  3. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Who shouldn't be watching that much television anyway. Sorry parents but you'll have to get a real babysitter once and awhile!
  4. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I tried to tell them that on Facebook, but was met with: "You don't have kids, so don't tell me how to raise mine." Which, is kinda true, but still.
  5. JonnyBMuppetMan

    JonnyBMuppetMan Well-Known Member

    Hopefully, that furor on Facebook will blow over in a few weeks (or months). No one's immediately used to change, so to an extent, I guess it's understandable.
  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    What they are forgetting is that being a parent doesn't make you an expert in psychology or child development. Anyone can be a parent. Not everyone is educated.

    And I have no sympathy for parents crying because Elmo's World is gone. Sorry, lol.
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  7. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I saw "The Good Sport" (Thanks Phillip!) and I had a sappy smile when Elmo admitted his mistakes at the end. That was just a great story and it's always great when Elmo's not the poster image for love he always is.

    I like the fact that the word of the day bit started with the celebrity not knowing they were part of it. That's like Grover dragging Kermit into a demonstration or vice verse. I wish they'd do more bits like that.

    If there's one thing I wish Murray would do, it's not laugh off the abuse Ovejita gives him. All the characters suffer and comedy doesn't come from recovery. I don't want to see him suffer, but it's much funnier when Ovejita's antics make him more a straight man instead of equals. Bert laughing off Ernie's jokes or Kermit taking Grover's back slaps with a smile doesn't make for funny moments, IMO.

    The Grover bit is great. The ending is something I'd never expect to see on the show these days; I guess anything goes is starting to seep back in. Elmo was good again, I was saddened by the truncated intro (it's a great intro song) and I didn't think there were enough songs (not counting the cheerleader ones), but it was a good bit with a great lesson and the effects were great (how they did that race I'll never figure out).

    Also, I don't understand the purpose of the sponsor things at the end. Are they there to fill more air time EW's absence left?
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There are things I understand not knowing until you have kids... but child psychologists and pediatricians have been decrying the educational value in products for kids under the age of 3. Especially the Tweeg/Flim Flam Bros. medicine wagon style Baby Einstein and Your Baby can Read. I completely understand that you need to put something on for a kid to answer a phone call or to handle laundry or to just get the kid out of the way while you do chores. You kinda have no choice there, as it's impossible to sit with a toddler every waking moment (those are what playpens were for, though). But it seems that these parents want EW for the educational and structural properties that, let's face it, are lost on someone who barely has an imprint yet. This is science.

    Plus, ETM has been confirmed to purposely lose the viewers that are under the age of 3. SW did not want that demographic dragging the show down. They had to pander to toddlers, and the writers clearly didn't like having to dumb everything down to play for kids who wouldn't appreciate it. Among other reasons, if 2 year olds aren't completely interested in a TV show, they're more interested in the rest of the world they're just discovering.
  9. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I know one of the experts decrying Baby Einstein said it would be better for kids that young to have more grown up shows on the TV, like Dancing with the Stars, simply because it's less stimulation overload. Like I've been saying for years, there's nothing wrong with showing kids more grown up shows. And as it turns out, it's a heck of a lot more useful than Baby Einstein nonsense.

    But parents get defensive; they don't want to be told they're doing something wrong. If something's all cute and colorful, how could it possibly be bad?
  10. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well we know that the folks at Sesame are not going to put on something that dose not work. I know there has to have been sevral screenings with sevral diffrent age groups before Elmo the Musical was a sure thing on the show. We have seen them do that with everything else, so why not this as well.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's that medicine wagon stuff that bothers me. Elmo's World was partially because research said that kids got bored watching an hour long show 15 minutes from the end for some reason and because the Elmo toy craze hit just before that. Baby Einstein and Your Baby Can Read was made to sucker suburbanite parents into thinking their kid will be a classically trained fine musician and neurosurgeon going into preschool. I'm pretty sure SW didn't realize that EW would play to that crowd, but it did. And now that crowd desperately wants it back, even though, among other things, they've completely ran out of subjects and didn't really care enough to make more than one segment in 2 years... and it was a hold over from a year before that.

    As much as I hate to admit it, the problem was the cold turkey switch to ETM. I'm glad they did it, I think it was the right thing to do personally... but now I'm not too sure. They should have had EW alternate with ETM for just this season (cutting to ETM only next season). If nothing else, we have 10 ETMs in 26 episodes. That's 4 episodes shy of showing them all 3 times. I'm sure ETM will sink in by the season finale, though. Hopefully it stays as EW's permanent replacement.

    Plus, it kinda sucks that SW is afraid of using anything (except occasionally) before the HD/Widescreen shift, while they had no problem with non-HD/full frame EW's. That seems just like a double standard. If they're somehow stuck with EW, the least they can do is throw in the occasional timeless sketch.
  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    They're also probably worrying that their kids will throw hissy fits without an Elmo's World fix. Which wouldn't have happened if they had broaden their children's outlook a bit more in the first place, heh.

    I was with Jon Stone on this matter. If the audience doesn't want it, they don't deserve it. But of course that's not how TV works, lol.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Kids young enough won't notice a difference, and kids that are old enough to want it back are basically on the verge of being off the demographic anyway. They replaced an Elmo segment with an Elmo segment, I don't see why kids should be upset (unless they know they lost a whole 4 minutes of Elmo-time...shhhhhhhh!). It seems the parents are more annoyed than the children, and their motive is "we want our kids to have structure." I still don't get that. Structure and routine are what people our age dread. That's something you have to deal with more the older you get. Kids need spontaneity because kids can handle it. They also need to learn that things in life that are unexpected. EW was insanely formulaic to the minute.

    Not to mention, as I've always said, EW becomes its own separate portion of the show. While that expresses what the show is like now, being made up of separate segments, they all have a continuous link in age focus. EW plays to the 2 year olds the show attracted by having EW, and it was dragging the rest of the show down with it.
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The fad now is for parents to complain about how values and education have gone down the tubes.
  15. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Thanks. We'll all try to remember that.
  16. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    I don't know what you're talking about. Last season, they showed the bit with the Twiddlebugs and the paperclip. And the season before that, they've shown I Gotta Be Clean. Plus, they've shown plenty of Ernie and Bert bits from the pre-HD era. Also, ever since I got an HDTV, the new episodes of SS have become much more watchable, cause now, I can see the whole image with no characters, letters or numbers getting cut off.
  17. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Well, he means not ENOUGH material is shown. Why play True Mud and "Measure, Yeah, Measure" twice in one season when you could easily replace it with something else? The Birdwalk Empire bit is airing twice this season, which is again ridiculous. They have plenty of material they can play, especially full-frame stuff, but they stick to repeating the same HD stuff. That's his point.
  18. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    That is a good point.
  19. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    If I had to pick my favorite ETM song thus far, I'd say the "Athletes, Athletes" song at the begging of Athlete the Musical. It's just really funky and catchy and the vocals are great. The theme song is great as well.
  20. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Fav episode is the pizza and athlete cant pick so far but fav songs are the theme and how you play the game pizza box dance and number 10 pizza

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