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Your Thoughts: Street Gang – The Complete History of Sesame Street

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Phillip, Dec 20, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Ooooooh! Just got my copy! I've only flipped open the images and thumbed through it a bit. I'll likely read a bit of it every night and on lunch breaks.
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh great! Can't wait to hear your thoughts, I still need to find a moment to buy it, lol. :)
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    It's a big froggin' book! I didn't think it would be. I'm probably projecting my disappointment in the very thin (but somewhat amusing) photo-less Pepe book that has become a paperweight.

    Street Gang, on the other hand, appears to be very thought-out and the endorsement of Frank Oz listed on the back is a seal of approval for me.
  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh I know, it's really impressive. I'm glad Sesame Street is getting this kind of respect. :)
  5. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Overall, the book is great! I do have a few minor complaints about the book (including a couple of factual errors), but I'll wait till I'm done reading it to post them here.

    I really like his rather diplomatic handling of the "Kermit's name" myth. He stated how many believe the name came from Kermit Scott, but only Jim Henson himself could have verified that.

    And, actually, Jim did. According to Karen Falk: "While Jim Henson did have a childhood acquaintance named Kermit, it was not an uncommon name at the time, and Jim always said that the Frog was NOT named for this child from his elementary school. I think Jim just liked the sound of the name - it has nice hard sounds and a sort of nasal quality that make it rather funny. By the way, another Kermit worked in the Muppet Workshop and helped to build the original Big Bird! (Again, no relation to the Frog.) I think Jim did, however, ensure that future generations would not continue using the name for their male children!"

    I also loved the stories related about Richard Hunt. He was such a jerk! I love it! ;) Calling Jim a "rich b*****d millionaire." Hehe! Poor Jim.
  6. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Yeah, I found one error in the book that caught my attention... It was when he was describing a Honker her actually described a "Dinger," heh! It's a very minor thing, but they are similar so I can see that mix up... :o

    But I can not wait for other people thoughts and views on the book!

    I liked Caroll's reaction to some of the things Richard would say, heh!

    Yeah , the book it generously big! I didn't want it to end and I couldn't put it down. I read for like four days non stop minus a lot of sleep just to finish it...By the way, before I read this book I never know that Caroll was going to be an animator for The Walt Disney Company and even saw Walt Disney himself in person hanging in the door way as he was about to be hired. And it's amazing that he turned them down because he could get paid more elsewhere. And it's funny that he had money issues with Henson, The Workshop and Sesames Street when he first come and made him consider his older job because of better financial security. But he ultimately did not turn this job down, heh! :wisdom:
  7. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    I got mine through the Library, and even I didn't know it was that "BIG!" :concern:


    Still, a lot of things amazed me like the cast mini-bios before they came on the show. The secret origin of Zoe, the fight between SS and Disney, and to think I would have thought that they were to be beautiful music together.

    Still, it was a good book, but due to school and work, I might not have enough time to read it. So I just glance through it mostly. :(
  8. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    I would like to see a book that talks more about the characters and performers. This was one of my complaints, but I realize it would be hard to fit in. He talks about Grover and Bert and Ernie's beginnings very briefly, but the only characters that really get discussed at length are Big Bird, Elmo, Zoe and Cookie Monster (not quite as much as the other 3). There's also a bit on Abby. Now that I'm pretty much through with the book, I think that discussing character origin, development, and why some were ultimately taken out of the show (such as Don Music, Sherlock Hemlock and Lefty) should be in a seperate book. Hopefully a book like that will be released.

    There was very little about Telly and nothing about Baby Bear. The same could be said about Marty Robinson and David Rudman. There was very little about Marty Robinson in the book, and (virtually) nothing about David Rudman. They're two performers who have been a huge part of Sesame Street through the 90s and this past decade. There were also a lot of other performers and writers that were overlooked (such as Joey Mazzarino, who is hillarious as Murray Monster, and is both a performer and writer).

    Another thing I noticed was, although Jerry Juhl is quoted a couple of times, he received no credit for his involvement in Sesame Street. He wrote alot of Muppet stuff (like Ernie and Bert) during the early seasons.

    Again, these are just some minor complaints. The book is fantastic! I love how it focuses on the people truly responsible for the show, people who rarely get the credit they deserve. And after reading it, it made me really appreciate the new format of the show more. It makes sense. But I also agree with Jon Stone in that the show should not have tried to be Barney. It was interesting noting how one reviewer compared the two, praising Barney for being "slow" and "familiar" and teaching the most basic things, and essentially bashing Sesame Street for being too deep. Competing with other children's shows doesn't mean lowering yourself to the other show's level. Kids deserve better than Barney, and Sesame Street, for all the problems older fans may have with it at times, is still the best.
  9. Muppet Newsgirl

    Muppet Newsgirl Active Member

    To say nothing of his calling David Rudman "that (seven letters, starts with A) from Chicago." The book was right; Richard did have a weird way of expressing his love and concern for his fellow cast members from time to time.

    About the big purple menace; it's true, Barney's an insult to children's intelligence. It's true that a lot of us have issues with Elmo, but Barney is big and patronizing, while SS is hip and witty.

    I remember, back in first grade, one morning our teacher gave us - I kid you not - math worksheets that had Barney on them. Don't ask me why, because 16-17 years later I still don't know. But I thought it was awfully demeaning; I remember thinking, "What is this? Barney's for little kids."
  10. I can't wait to finish this book! I'm on page 123 (yes, that is a conicidence)... I can't wait to actually get to the 'meat' of the book. The prepatory/ research of the story in intriguing, but I WANT MUPPETS!

    I'll have plenty more to say once I'm done reading. If only school wasn't taking up so much of my time!
  11. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member



    SS is more than just the muppets and personally I think this book's for people who are mature and willing to learn about SS's history without getting hysterical about not comming across anything on the muppets right away.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Elmo does have a sly wit. I wish they'd go with that shade of him more than he appears in Elmo's World. Those segments are unwatchable.

    I keep trying to make a dent into the book, but customers keep coming in. :grouchy:
  13. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Yeah,It was fun reading the preparation stuff. But for me I couldn't wait to get to when the show actually started and seeing all it want thouhg, all the changes that happened, why they happed and what was the cause of it all over the years, and how it got to where it was today. But it really all is so interesting and I just love when the author just delves deeper into things!
  14. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    Was it just me or did anyone notice that there was no mentioning of Rosita during the entire book ? :(
  15. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    I noticed the Rosita thing, too. No mention of her in the book either.

    Well, technically, if it weren't for the Muppets, Sesame Street wouldn't be on television anymore. (As much as ya may love the humans on the show, who wants a doll of Gordon? :smirk:) The book wasn't written with the Muppets as the main focus, you're right in that. But the Muppets are a huge part of the show, so it was a little disappointing to see more time wasn't devoted to them (though, again, I'm extrememly happy with the focus on the creators of the show).
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I only enjoyed the Muppet bits on Sesame Street as a kid. To be honest - the pinball animation used to induce a panic attack. I don't know why! To be honest, I was only keen on a few of the live action people (Mr. Hooper was definitely among those on that list). The live action kid films never did interest me unless attached to a Muppet character. Without the Muppets there is no Sesame Street. The show had this magic formula that shouldn't have ever been tampered with. Still trying to get into the book, but I haven't had the time to really devote to it yet. Hopefully today.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Gads, I'm chewing my bottom lip up reading some of this... I must, MUST check this book out when I get the time.. and I'm not too big on reading, either... so it says something.
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :search: First error I've noted so far in the book is citing the $40M domestic grossing Dark Crystal as the box office bomb that plagued Jim when actually they meant the $12M domestic grossing Labyrinth. Just a note. It's a great read when I can actually get to it - paragraph-by-paragraph right now. :insatiable:
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I admit as a Muppet fan I'd be mostly looking for information on them in the book. Still, it's important to know where your interests came from, their origins and all. :)
  20. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Oh, some of the people behind the scenes are was entertaining people. They have great senses of humor that affected the type of humor that this show is famous for. :)


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