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Your Thoughts: Studio DC Hosted by Dylan and Cole Sprouse

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Aug 3, 2008.

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What did you think of Studio DC Hosted by Dylan and Cole Sprouse?

  1. I loved Studio DC.

    40 vote(s)
    28.8%
  2. Studio DC was good.

    42 vote(s)
    30.2%
  3. Studio DC was just so-so.

    31 vote(s)
    22.3%
  4. I disliked Studio DC.

    26 vote(s)
    18.7%

  1. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    I've seen a lot of the Youtube comments and also the different Disney kids fan site comments, in fact i was curious so searched out a lot of kid opinion on this - from what i've seen, almost 90% of the kids who've bothered to even have any opinion thought the special didn't make any sense, but was good because of their teen stars. The problem is that most didn't even notice the Muppets or just called them "puppets", majority didn't like them, and Miss Piggy seems to get a much more negative reaction that Kermit. I think they will have to do a lot more than put the Muppets into sketches with the Disney stars to actually get the kids into them (if ever) although if it gets the viewing figures they need to make a Muppet movie i'm not complaining.

    I saw most of it, some of the parts were done ok - especially Miley and Ashley Tisdale. The script was completely awkward and wooden, and nothing was done to actually introduce the kids viewing to the characters - how can anyone expect them to "get" the Muppet brand if it is written more in a style to plug the shows and movies instead of actually making it clear who each character is and why they are like they are? Production wise it was done well, though yes, edited to oblivion. I think its nice to have the EM Band back (and you can hear Disney execs rubbing their hands together hoping they take off with the kids enough to release some albums). I don't like the way they have kept the sex thing up with Animal and hes now having dates with a 15 year old ... if hes working with kids he just needed to go crazy, or after their mothers lol. I didn't find it funny - lets be honest the Henson creative team has never worked well with Disney, it needs a fresh approach because if they just keep the same people around we'll carry on seeing the painful things like this and Wizard Of Oz - maybe these people could write/produce for the Muppets ten years back but i think they forgot we've moved on ten years and are set in their ways, or just dont work well with new people. I think its 3 specials that are planned, and its coming across very much like they are trying to shove it down kids throats like medicine, and kids really aren't being stupid enough to fall for it. I don't think it achieved its goal because it wasn't written or put together well enough to give the kids any reason to like the Muppets, and it seems they didnt - maybe if the few interstitials that did work (Miley, Ashley) had just been put out as short little clips running over and over on Disney Channel it would have been more memorable to the kids but as a special i thought the stuff that had obviously been shot as filler to round it into an actual show/plot let it down.
     
  2. Quazimoto

    Quazimoto Active Member

    As a huge Muppet fan, I was totally stoked to here that they were getting a brand new special. After having watched it I have to say that I am extremely dissapointed.

    The Muppet parts themselves were good, and even though most everything Disney makes me gag, I have to hand it to Ashley Tisdale who had great chemistry working along side Kermit. Despite that, to me the show felt... Unfinished. It was far too short to have any real substance in the skits and, for the most part, felt as if everyone was just going through the motions of filming a TV show. There didn't seem to be any passion behind the performances and passionate performances is what made The Muppets stars to begin with (at least IMHO).

    My other big promlem was the fact that the whole thing kind of felt like one long commercial. I completely expected some shilling of Disney Channel shows and franchises, but the whole thing felt like it was one giant advertisment for the respective shows/CDs/Movies of the "guest" stars. I know the little kiddies and tweeners like those crappy Disney shows, but come on... They're already going to watch whatever stinking pile Disney rehashes and slaps a new title on and they're already going to beg their parents to buy wahtever the newest Miley Hannah Cyrus Montana album is, so why must Disney insult them and Muppet fans by making a half hour (actually 20 minute) commercial for said products. I don't think I'm alone in saying that I'd much rather have a solid fifteen or twenty minutes of Muppet comedy as they interact with the guests and each other (ala The Muppet Show/Muppet's Tonight).

    Lastly, and this is only a little gripe, some of the new character voices will certainly take some getting used to, especially The Electirc Mayhem.

    All in all, I was pretty dissapointed with this effort, but it is really good to see Dinsey utilizing The Muppets again and I will stay hopeful that it shall only get better the next time around.
     
  3. pattywack

    pattywack New Member

    Oh god, from the opinions I read, I think I'll love it. Obviously there'll be a ton of 'but it would be even better if ....'s. It's a shame that it wasn't longer! I hope they come up with more and more muppet stuff! So excited :D

    GOD I hope this comes online soon :(
     
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    About The Puppets:

    It used to be the practice under Jim Henson and the Creature Shop that there usually wouldn't be multiple puppets for any given character. When one puppet would wear out a new one would be built using parts from the older one. This does not appear to be the case anymore - especially with Miss Piggy.

    I remember it being said that a poser of Piggy was problematic because the company now in charge of Muppet building, Puppet Heap I think, wouldn't release the head mold due to contractual or trade secret matters. I do believe that but also think they realize that they don't have a handle on just how to build the pig yet. She keeps changing and it's not just converted posers to puppets. There were at least three Piggy heads in that special (if not four or even five). It wasn't just different wig attachments; she was an entirely different headed pig. She didn't look too bad, but she could have looked better like in my recent comp. The other puppets seem to look pretty good this time out except Kermit looked kind of portly in his blue outfit.

    I don't think Disney is the type of company that would be comfortable with having only one puppet of each character. This may come from them.
     
  5. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    I may be wrong, but i think it might be Henson who woudn't release the molds and maybe even designs to them. Puppet Heap is one of the ex-creature shop guys who set up shop and employed other ex-henson builders and wranglers so its kinda like the creature shop staff without the most experienced veterans who used to be there. Started with Muppets TV (France) and they still build them today afaik. They seem to have got a handle on replicating most of the characters but are having problems with some - which is why they are changing so much (and to think Master Replicas may attempt a Piggy, the real guys cant even do it, lol). Sometimes you may see a really good Muppet likeness (maybe even Piggy) doing an interview or at Muppets.com - its probably just Steve or Erics master puppet (all puppeteers prefer using a single master where possible, as you know) still useable from back in the Henson built days. There definitely seems to be a rogue classic piggy about somewhere for sure, and i think they can build Kermit pretty well that we dont notice too much difference with him - thats my guess, maybe not so much swapping with Gonzo/Rizzo/Pepe.
     
  6. pattywack

    pattywack New Member

    Guh, someone please post this online! I'm DYING here!
     
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Something tells me that I should be glad I don't have cable, and just watched the Dennis the Menace animated telefilm and American Dad last night....

    If we keep getting Oz, that's it. They try to play to all these different people that are too jaded to care, and all the while saying, "Hey fans! Scooter's in the background in one scene. That's for you!"

    Sigh...just like I thought they would. Face it, these kids don't like magical things like Puppetry or even cartoons made for their age group (Family Guy and South park are all they watch, and only because the characters swear and they don't give a crap about the stuff those shows have to say... and it's a shame, since South Park usually says something brilliant). They just want to see their little Barbie and Ken dolls lipsync to mindless pop written by the same 2 guys in their 50's, or pull of old conventions and cliches that were old when I Dream of Jeannie came out. (come on... she's hiding that she;'s a rock star, and it becomes harder and harder to hide each time? That doesn't ring Samantha from Be-Witched to anyone else?)
     
  8. Muppetfan44

    Muppetfan44 Active Member

    I couldn't agree more Ru! I was completely stoked after that interview. Having Kermit not make fun of Piggy or deny the relationship definitely lifted my spirits. I still like to see Kermit bait Piggy every now and then. I hope we can see more romance between our favorite couple soon!:)
     
  9. muppet_fan_1

    muppet_fan_1 Member

    Well, as early as it is for me, I thought I'd be getting a jump start on comments, seeing as how I'm posting to the 19th page, I'd say I'm a bit late, but I'll post anyway.
    Bad news first: Honestly? I did have the "Was that it?" feeling at the end. I'm not sure what I was expecting. I can see how some would find it confusing mostly because I couldn't figure out weather the muppets were the hosts, or the guests. I'm not a big Disney channel viewer, so while I knew who the actors were, (I have nieces & nephews) I wasn't too familier with them. I must have been expecting more sketch comedy and not quite so many songs. But if that's what it takes...
    Good news: I am THRILLED that they are in prime time again, and exposing them to the younger generation by flaunting them with people we KNOW the kids will recognize is probably the best way to introduce them to those who don't know who they are.
    Confusing, short, & forced, but witty is some areas, w/ clever actor/muppet combinations, and overall entertaining.
    Should I keep an eye out for another episode?
     
  10. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter New Member

    Well, I thought it was good. Not great, but good. It's a shame it didn't serve it's purpose, though. It's also a shame that the show was all over the place. It could have worked much better if Kermit (or even the actual host of the show) had been there to tie all the skits together, as with The Muppet Show.

    But, overall, there were only three major things I didn't like:

    • During the opening credits, the Muppets were said to be "featured". "FEATURED?" The special was made by Muppet Studios and produced by people that have worked with the Muppets for years... but the Muppets were only "featured" players? They were the stars, if anything. The only thing consistant throughout.
    • The Swedish Chef spoke a full, understandable line. That upset me. I'm glad that later on he returned to the mock Swedish, but that one line just bugged me for the whole show. The Chef can say an occaisonal word here and there, he always has. But that bugged me is you can almost always understand the point that he's trying to make without him having to actually say it in English.
    • No Fozzie Bear? I suppose there were episodes of The Muppet Show without him, but how could he not be there? It is upsetting that so many characters were shown at the beginning, but never actually used.

    Other than that, everyone was perfectly in character to me. Kermit during the "Suite Life" sketch (or should I say Sweed Life?) was dead on perfect! Classic Kermit. And the "Bop to the Top" number was the absolute best part of the show! Kermit's dance was fantastic! Brilliantly performed by Steve and the other Muppeteers.

    I think Janice was probably performed by Matt Vogel here. I don't remember seeing Tyler Bunch credited. Was he? But, Matt played Janice for the Muppet Race Mania game, so he probably performed her here, too.
     
  11. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    That cartoon was great! The only reason I wanted to see that movie. Though, lots of people were confused when it came on.
     
  12. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    I don't have any problem with Disney's teens, its obvious its just easily put together stuff by characters they can make a buck on licensing. Something like Hannah Montanna is just really a more lucrative version of Saved By The Bell, Sabrina etc - its been going on for years. Ideally i don't particulary want to see the Muppets turned soley into pimps for albums, videos, t-shirts etc. We will always see a bit of that but i think maybe the classic characters deserve a bit more respect than that. I know Disney is just trying to get the kids interested but whether they are hot or not they don't look natural doing the whole "hard sell" thing. When Kermit was referencing HSM, and Piggy Tisdale it was just so painful to watch.
     
  13. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    :mad::grouchy::boo:

    Join me, ladies and gentlemen, in petitioning Congress to STOP, for the love of all that is holy STOP what is obviously child abuse! Parents allow and Disney markets a bunch of fluff, not for tweens, but for apparently someone with the IQs of their own merchandise, to be made. Disney owns ABC, right? The channel with LOST on it ... a show so detailed and nuanced that it drives me crazy ... in a good way? Go watch the episode of Dinosaurs where Earl makes everyone in Pangaea brain-dead because even the simplest plots were too complicated for him. This was a warning from 60 million years BC, folks! It wasn't just Sesame Street that was educational ... you don't have shove facts down throats to make a point. The problem with Disney is that it can't decide what age group it wants to suck off of. Why do shows for tweens have the same narrative content of a show for preschoolers? Haven't people griped about the dumbing down of America (c'mon, Sam the Eagle, join me on this!)? I understand ratings are higher for moronic stuff ... but look at the Dark Knight. Look at Iron Man before it. If all those network types are basing their programming decisions on focus groups ... are they using Muppet Vegetables as participants?

    *is shot with tranquilizer gun*

    Ahh ... okay, I'm better now.
     
  14. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    I second that!:)
     
  15. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I just watched it... I understand why everyone feels so negativly asbout it, but all in all, it wasnt awful, but thats also not saying it was the best thing ever. It was exactly what I expected. Once again, as I said before, this will do nothing to get pepole interested in the muppets.

    But you cant hate disney for trying. Afterall, they did use muppes that have not gotten much publicity lately. The electric mayhem (although...they only gave them like, one line each), the snowths.

    But you cant say it was a total failure. If just one persin saw the muppets and got interested in them, then isnt that a good thing? Disnewy just doesnt know how to re-introduce the muppets. And I dont blame them. Just take a look around at the world today. People are being forced to grow up too fast, and losing their childhood innocence at an early age. Anything invovling puppets is instantly classified as the baby show unless its on an adult channel (Comedy central anyone?), and even then I think people would be hessitant to watch it.
     
  16. thekittybox

    thekittybox New Member

    The show itself was short. It had too many commercials, long commercials, to keep me at the television. I kept saying, "Where's the show?"

    It was disjointed, confusing, and a bit jumpy. Where was the flow from scene to scene?

    The Muppets' voices were a bit jarring. Sounded weird. The worst was the Swedish Chef who shouldn't speak full lines of English. Miss Piggy has lost that sweeter, softer voice she used on people right before she got angry. I was exceedingly pleased to see Electric Mayhem speaking, even if the voices sounded off.

    Performances themselves... Miss Piggy seemed way too haughty even for Piggy! Kermit was too dry. He may be the glue keeping a bunch of other crazies together, but Kermit is still a little wacky too! Gonzo needs more craziness.

    I had trouble seeing the arm rods. Did they edit them out? Sometimes that made them lose the puppet-ness of the Muppets.

    As an old school Muppet (and Disney) fan, I watch the Muppets on a daily basis. I was shocked to find out that the elementary age children I work with had no idea who the Muppets were. There were some clips of Fozzie and Gonzo dancing (no words) that the kids did enjoy.

    Do the Muppets need Disney? Yes. I wish the Muppets could stand alone and be a success again. They can't right now. Did Studio DC: Almost Live work for old and new fans? Maybe. Kids may need a better introduction to the Muppets. They're not "for babies" and the kids need to see that. Old fans need to see the commitment to the characters. We want to see the personalities, signature sayings or moves, and interactions between characters. Maybe we don't need 24/7 chickens, penguins flying, monsters eating stuff, and explosions... but controlled chaos for today. The special was a step, albeit not a huge step, in the right direction.
     
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    2 things... you're a Disney stock holder... of COURSE you like these shows. A share of the companies profits from them pumps the stock price up.

    The other thing... what's wrong with them? they're taking the bread out of the mouths of us cartoonists and animators, who have to struggle to get our feet in the door. Only profitable animation is late night druggy humor Adult Swim fodder.

    Plus, I fail to see how you refer to the Muppets as relics, when these shows embrace and rehash the same tired cliches that were old by the time 1960's sitcoms ran them into the ground. Tell me, how is Hannah hiding the fact she's a rockstar any different than Major Nelson hiding Jeannie, or Samantha having to hide some weird glitch in her magic. Heck, the entire plotline of Zach and Cody is easily lifted out of the Hotel sequence from Home Alone 2.

    If they were of some measurable quality, I'd say different. Even Stevens and even Lizzie MaGuire were higher quality. This is just the same old tired tweencoms we've been getting since Saved By The Bell. And even Saved by the Bell was funnier.
     
  18. goshposh

    goshposh Member

    So far my favorite line is
    Gonzo: I got lost

    Kermit: Where were you?

    Gonzo: Vermont
     
  19. Luke

    Luke Active Member


    You nailed it there. It was great that Disney tried, congrats to them - but if their mission here was to get kids aquainted with the Muppets, they could have done a bit better than cobbling a show around some footage they shot for interstitials a year ago and weren't even used then. It seemed more like a half hour advert for all the kids stuff, the kids dont need that - they all have their own shows to get that kinda promotion from. I appreciate the idea they have taken the kids out of their schedules to put them with what are effectively a group of old puppets they'd never heard of, and they are all clean cut and harmeless cheesy plot line shows that the kids do appreciate, but obviously Disney knows thats what gets viewers, what is gonna catch on, what sells the merchandise and what the parents approve of to - its a win win, they arent a charity. Overall if there is serious commitment to the Muppets (and Diz bought the by choice, they arent doin anyone favors) you've only gotta look to the Henson.com sketches to see they can be written and produced a lot better.
     
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Thanks for clearing that up a little. I wan't to see more of the rogue Piggy! The freaky wild-eyed Piggy and the wide-cheeked Piggy just don't do it for me. Their Statler and Waldorf are really beautiful. The Animal chin hair gets to me a little bit. Their Kermits seem to have different head sizes at times. That's the most I have observed.

    You appear to be lumping Sesame Street and the Muppets together and it demonstrates a misunderstanding of the Muppet Show characters that I am not comfortable with. That is why there always needs to be a clear distinction between the two that this special wasn't great about making.

    Even on the TME vs. Disney toys front - most of the Sesame Workshop toys have an educational purpose. The TME helps to promote the other SW products out there. The profits go back into the company and the worldwide work SW does to educate the planet's children to give them an early start they might not already have. Disney toys are mostly mere shiny trendy objects that kids enjoy and toss into a landfill later when Hannah Montana ceases being cool while Sesame characters are evergreen and items can be passed down. The Disney proceeds get absorbed back into their corporate machine as in every other company. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that practice - every other company does it. I do take issue with comparing the products to ones licensed and released through Sesame Workshop!

    I do agree that some of the Disney Channel comments have gone a little far, but the shows (not unlike studio DC) could be better written but aren't because they don't have to be. They aren't that quality-driven, but they're not Bratz either. It is fluff. I just think their fluff could be a little finer. That's all. It wouldn't hurt.

    To say that Disney "saved" or "rescued" the Muppets is going too far. It took them a very long time to get to this point with them and they are doing a much better job with things now than the Henson Company's spotty efforts (mostly due to budget issues), but much of the footwork for the Muppets had been made before the Disney sale. The NBC Christmas special did remarkably well, the Oz special was already in the works and much of this had been helped by reorganizing efforts sparked by Muppet Fest and by the licensing pushes by Sideshow, Palisades and others that received much notice and acclaim in the industry, from fans and any layperson exposed to them.

    The Muppets have been coming back into public consciousness for a while now. Disney has been helping that a great deal these days, but the Muppets had already begun their trek. The idea that fans like us should have a little gratitude is fair, but I'm not going to be kissing mouse butt. If not for one particular fan the Segel movie wouldn't be in the works. Finally Disney is understanding that and finding ways to facilitate the process. DC was their way of getting more kids interested in the Muppets so they can marry off some of their core demographic with the Muppet property. That will help increase film funding and future projects.

    I just thought the special could have been a little better crafted. It was more like a bland and baggy Gap store fit when the Pig wears Prada. I would have settled for H&M or Banana Republic.
     


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