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Your Thoughts: Studio DC Hosted by Selena Gomez

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Oct 5, 2008.

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What did you think of Studio DC Hosted by Selena Gomez?

  1. I loved Studio DC.

    29 vote(s)
    38.2%
  2. Studio DC was good.

    33 vote(s)
    43.4%
  3. Studio DC was just so-so.

    7 vote(s)
    9.2%
  4. I disliked Studio DC.

    7 vote(s)
    9.2%

  1. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh I agree, Segal does seem to understand. And it is true that updating isn't necessarily bad. The Muppets transitioned from the '70s to the '80s, but were still the same characters. A balance and mix is definitely what's needed. :)

    "He who trims himself to suit everyone will soon whittle himself away." ;)
  2. Muppet Loverr

    Muppet Loverr Member

    Now I dont have time to read through 14 pages of comments, but like..

    I like this one alot more than the first one...the 1st one seem to be a little to jumbled~!

    Miss Piggy was great~! Maybe they will relaed a DVD of these 2 specals soon. Disney Channel likes doin that. Haha.

    (Did any one eles spot that arm wire? (From the part with Miss Piggy and the Cheetahs))

    I enjoy Selena, I think shes a wondeful actress..~!
  3. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    Okay, my country doesn't have the Disney Channel so I did not see this or the last DC special. But reading some comments, I'm getting the feeling that it was much better if not actually great, and that makes me so happy! Yay. ^_^
  4. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    You'll find it on Youtube!
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    What Disney is doing now seems to be working. Time will tell. We have never seen a push like this and early criticisms are premature. The Muppets have not "trolled" for an audience under this recent guidance as depicted in your MTM afro-wigged Kermit "sell the show" reference. That would be an objectionable offense. If that time came (I don't believe it will) I would be the first to start a letter writing campaign.

    Disney is casting a wide net to see how much interest there is for the Muppets in every market. They want these "undecided" tweens and are making an effort to reach them. Getting them would pump a lot of needed money into the franchise and the Muppets can make more of the A+ media the writers and performers really want to do. Can the characters be themselves and still generate heat in that market? That's what they're finding out by going directly to the Disney tweens' stomping ground for introductions. Now, the characters reined it in a little more than usual as not to be presumptuous, but Fozzie was still Fozzie etc. No lobotomies as I saw it. Disney is the best at knowing this market so I trust them as they haven't done anything so far in this current effort that diminishes the Muppets. Fans will always think there's room for improvement no matter what the Muppet project. That's what we do. ;)

    It is way too soon to judge any area of this Muppet push. The deadline for this steady plan appears to be Segel's movie. So until then I will support them. They haven't done anything to embarrass the brand or contradict who they are yet. Let's not assume that they will or that we know better. :attitude:

    Now, the Pizza Hut commercials...even though the Muppets originated from the advertising world, I agree with Frank Oz' assessment and distaste for them. They weren't bad, but they did diminish the brand a little. I admit to being a bit happy when they aired merely because it was new and had Muppets. The reality was it was just a way to make quick cash from the characters with no real strategy behind it to get the Muppets anywhere better than they were. These new projects are strategic building blocks placed by a company with a proven track record for results.

    I have been amazed how true to the characters the Mouse has been in all of these recent projects. I never expected that from them so I have faith in them. New online media, books, specials, build-a-Muppet and a spankin' new movie! There's not anything legitimate to complain about quite yet unless Pepe introduces a new dipping sauce at Long John Silvers!
  6. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    As far as commercials go, I remember the Pizza Hut commercials coming on, but I don't really remember them for the content. Though they didn't do anything to help the Muppet brand, I think the average viewer has forgotten about those commercials.

    On the other hand, I liked the Muppets MasterCard commercials, but I don't think they did anything to help or hinder the brand either.
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I agree. The Master Card commercials were great. It offered the chance for the Muppets to be Muppets in the familiar setting of Manhattan. Those particular ads are about the individual lifestyle of the customer. I guess that's what works. The Pizza Hut commercials were more about dipping sauce and toppings. The same goes for the horrid (but strangely humorous) Pepe Silvers ads.

    Oh, and Disney launching a new Muppet float in the Thanksgiving parade while having Kermit sing a song from the upcoming special shows just how much they care. I did like the Macy's windows of the past, but this idea gets the message out in a wider, lively and Muppety way. I just have so much Disney loving right now. I never thought that was possible. This is how I used to feel about it and this is how I feel now.

    I am wondering if the DC specials will air again to promote the NBC special? I'm not sure how all that will work.
  8. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Disney constantly seems to re-air original movies and specials. I think that if they see an opportunity for publicity, they'll exploit it. And I'm not saying that in an altogether negative way. It makes sense to air something multiple times and get as much as you can out of it.


    Is there really going to be a Muppet float this Thanksgiving? That'll really give me something to be thankful for!
  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah in this case exploiting for publicity would be good, hehe. I just hope they do show more than just MWoO at some point. ;)

    Based on past experience, I am skeptical about all this and don't mind saying it. But at the same time, I'm keeping an open mind. DC was the right idea. ;)
  10. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    I really do see where you're coming from.

    No matter what, I guess it's a good idea to hope for the best.
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    You're right, hope is more than just a feeling, it can also lead to action. Over pessimissim is no good, nor is over optimism. But an overall faith does not hurt. ;)
  12. Davina

    Davina Member

    i think a good deal of what people might see as having been sacrificed may stem from newer performers who are still trying to work into a long established character that a lot of people know so darn well they can tell if the original performer was actually at the helm or dubbed, or had a cold that day.. In all fairness, that aspect needs to be allowed for. It may irk some of us to have a voice be off, or movements not as smooth as we're use to, but at least they are trying on that point, and given time, should settle out.
    The only other real "sacrifice" that I think is really obvious has been the whole Piggy pounding.. they have gotten downright mean at times in dealing with her and that is rather uncalled for... whether that is a fault of the writers not knowing how to handle the Piggy/Kermit dynamics or a clash of personalities with the performers not being able to meld it properly, I don't know.. but many of us want the love back, even if it was at times very passive aggressive.
  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    You're right, new voices and performing are a fact and they're doing the best they can, I think it's good. :)

    I guess that's the main thing worrying me.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I can see that. Some much older fans passed on the Steve's Kermit years ago and haven't returned. It's such a difficult position to fill the frog's flippers! Witnessing some of the recent agility and performances of Kermit on the DC specials in comparison to some of his early work with the frog shows how much he has grown into the character. It will always be different and the voice will likely always have a bit of Wembley in it, but I am amazed how much of Jim's Kermit charm has returned in Steve's performances these days. :)

    The Muppet world suffered a great loss with the passing of Jerry Juhl. He understood the frog-pig dynamic better than anyone. I think you hit the nail on the head about it having passive aggressive elements. It is that pressure that eventually explodes into a karate chop. Much of the recent writing begins at the escalation point rather than build up to it. It's hard to say because some writing is better than others. I truly feel that whether it is Studio DC, the NBC special or the new Muppet movie - the Muppets need at least one consistent head writer that understands them and can give them their true voice back in all of its Muppetyness both subtle and extreme. :D
  15. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    I think that the writers have been trying too hard with the Miss Piggy/Kermit dynamic. It's as though they've gone so far in their writing that it's lazy. It's like saying "Things aren't funny? Let's make the pig psycho!" Some people blame Piggy for being downright abusive. Some people blame Kermit for being insensitive or cruel. They just need to tone it down some. Yes, there should be quite a bit of tension and karate chops, but they need to pull back and show more tender, real moments between the two, at least once in a while.
  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I believe someone here said one problem is we're mainly seeing them just in brief interviews so it's coming across unbalanced.
  17. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Yeah. I think that's the major problem. I guess it's like hearing the punchline without the rest of the joke. It might be funny to see Miss Piggy karate chop Kermit, but that's not the only part of their relationship.
  18. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Okay, i've read through the entire thread and have made mental notes to things i wanted to comment on though most have eventually been touched on and nearly exhausted! But i will point out my feelings on the current Disney push since it's dominated the last half of the thread:

    We've seen _intentions_ and _beginnings_ of pushes referenced in the Times article before - but the difference between the previous ones and now is that it seems like in the past whenever there's been an attempt to bring the Muppets back in a big way with several different media niches and small/big projects, either (a) the Muppets would come under new ownership or (b) once bought by Disney, anytime whichever head of the Muppets division would get off to a good start on their Muppet-reintroduction plans, they were replaced with someone else and everything Muppet-at-Disney would be scraped back. Chris Curtin was off to a running start and was replaced thanks to internal Disney politics. Russell Hampton (i may not have the name right but i think so little of him i don't care) never really should have been in charge of them and didn't really have much a plan or seem to think of them as more than "a property we swallowed so we can release already made stuff on dvd and collect the money" and thankfully did not last long. Lyelle Brier was next and while she is still there, her initial plans got set back not because of another change in ownership but because of the writers strike. Had the strike not happened, i think we would have seen this level of push for the Muppets occuring almost around this time last year. I really think she both "gets" the Muppets as well as how they work and is doing a great job of getting them where they need to be - Aside from the web stuff (muppets xd and youtube), Studio DC just happens to be the first quasi-major project and because it's marketed to a younger crowd may not be as exciting to some of us veteran Muppet-freaks, but it is necessary and perhaps in some ways all for the best that the tweens got in their early and first - this will only help the projects (like Santa) that are aimed at multi-generations. (Keep in mind the original plan was going to be the next big Muppet project was going to be a network special on elections and political humor which would totally have reeled in the adults, but was scrapped and the Christmas special originally planned for next year moved up due to the fear that there would be no repeat/resale value in something so locked into a specific time). Keep in mind much more will be forthcoming that we don't know about yet!

    I'm glad the Studio DC specials are getting heavy DC rotation and reception, but it still seems like more could be done on the channel - there should be commercials for the dvds and at the least ads for Disney's OWN muppets website - a lot of the regular Disney Channel shows have commercials for their websites and how much of them have frequently updated original content? There should be at least a crawl saying "Want to see more Muppet madness? Check out Muppets.com" (and once there, there will be ads/clips for the dvds).

    Now on to some earlier stuff...

    Piggy's number with Cheetah Girls was a highpoint for me...not as much the singing but the moves - this was Diva Piggy at her best, those "heaving movements" at the start and the arm waves (and in response to how are they doing that, i think things like those arm waves and some of the stuff from Bop to the Top where with the benefit of some CGI touch ups - hey as long as they're removing the arm wires, why not go whole-hog...if the porcine subjects of the topic at hand will pardon the expression). That's actually a great example of technology helping and bringing out the best of the Muppets rather than "replacing" them as often is feared in discussions pertaining to digital enhancements. Of course at the end, Piggy was doing a different kind of "heaving" but still, this was really a classic Piggy moment!

    This one was better paced, i think because the first one was basically getting out of the way all the stuff that was originally taped as interstitials before it was decided to include them in a show (in DC 1, you could easily divide the first and second halfs into two distinct parts with some small links between them to tie them into the Studio DC concepts, whereas in DC 2, it was just a whole buncha stuff intermixed in each half). I also personally liked how the talent appearing in the second one where generally more _talentED_ than those in the first, though that's not a blanket statement! (I do think Miley is a talented singer if not as strong an actress and gets overshadowed by her own hype and i don't really care much for the two younger stars that were with Statler and Waldorf but they found a way to use them well). Too bad the actors from Life With Derek haven't been included as i would rank the acting on that show better than the rest of the current DC crop (but then if i'm not mistaken, that was originally something Disney acquired from somewhere else?)

    I'm not overly concerned with things like "where's Bunson - Beaker was there but now Bunson!" or "Rowlf should have had a scene" - this kind of thing always happens with a new production; fans have this checklist of all the major and minor characters and flip out when their fave isn't there...there's only so much that can be done in a 20 minute show (even in a 90 minute movie, there's only so much you can do). So who "wasn't" there doesn't bug me so much - Bunson has been used well over the last several years, and Beaker has often been used in ways without him and this was a perfect way to include him! I'm more hyped but what we DID get between the two - Snowths, Scooter (speaking!), all of the EM with lines! Camilla.

    Loved the "less talka talka, more Wocka Wocka line" especially probably because as a One Life to Live addict, one of the characters on there (diner owner Mo) is known for exasperating his staff by constantly remarking "A little less Talk-ie, a little more Work-ie", and this totally reminded me of that!

    Finally the whole Floyd question - someone posted (anonymously) on a "comments" thread on Muppets NewsFlash that Floyd was looped by Jerry Nelson on the first DC, and while i find it a bid odd that he would be uncredited or that they would go through the trouble of having him do so for essentially a four-word line, it did sound like Jerry's Floyd so i am apt to believe that (yet while still not 100% convinced without more concrete evidence). However, i can state without any shred of doubt that if that was the case, Jerry did NOT loop the voice for Floyd in DC 2!
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Nicely said DW! It is always a pleasure to read your posts and articles. I didn't know the bits about Russell Hampton. The Muppets have had so many hoops to jump through. It seems that now they're finally getting somewhere. ;)
  20. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    One thing I believe is very important to keep in mind is the fact that much has changed about the Muppet staff, our society and the world in general since their 1970s and 80s popularity height. It is essential to understand that very, very delicate balances exist when two or more people work on anything together, in any form of labor, in any field. There are countless intangible elements that come into play, especially in the arts. And even more so in the entertainment business, which is one-half entertainment and one-half business.

    A very delicate balance existed long ago when Jim was alive and everything was a playland. The Muppets were on top of a world that was just right for them, with a seemingly endless output of productions that we today consider classics.

    Henson, and now Disney, has been trying since 1990 to recreate that balance, a balance that once existed because involved were the right people at the right time. That was the key to the Muppets’ success and at the helm, of course, was Jim. It’s been said that Jim’s greatest ability (of many he had with which we are so familiar) was his talent for sniffing out the right people for the job. That began with his first hires: Jerry Juhl and Frank Oz, the two people considered most essential to the Muppets after Jim himself.

    I don’t want to recall the entire history of Jim’s career, but my point is that any success exists (regardless of how easy it is to see or identify) because the right people are involved at the right time. Who the right people are and what the right time is are variables, frequently recognized only after the fact. The constant is that special and sensitive balance that does indeed exist. Always.


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