1. Welcome to the Muppet Central Forum!
    You are viewing our forum as a guest. Join our free community to post topics and start private conversations. Please contact us if you need help with registration or your account login.

  2. Sesame Street Season 47
    Sesame Street's 47th season officially began Saturday January 7 on HBO. After you see the new episodes, post here and let us know your thoughts.

Your Thoughts: Studio DC Hosted by Selena Gomez

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Oct 5, 2008.

?

What did you think of Studio DC Hosted by Selena Gomez?

  1. I loved Studio DC.

    29 vote(s)
    38.2%
  2. Studio DC was good.

    33 vote(s)
    43.4%
  3. Studio DC was just so-so.

    7 vote(s)
    9.2%
  4. I disliked Studio DC.

    7 vote(s)
    9.2%

  1. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I believe someone here said one problem is we're mainly seeing them just in brief interviews so it's coming across unbalanced.
     
  2. Baby Gonzo

    Baby Gonzo Member

    Yeah. I think that's the major problem. I guess it's like hearing the punchline without the rest of the joke. It might be funny to see Miss Piggy karate chop Kermit, but that's not the only part of their relationship.
     
  3. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Okay, i've read through the entire thread and have made mental notes to things i wanted to comment on though most have eventually been touched on and nearly exhausted! But i will point out my feelings on the current Disney push since it's dominated the last half of the thread:

    We've seen _intentions_ and _beginnings_ of pushes referenced in the Times article before - but the difference between the previous ones and now is that it seems like in the past whenever there's been an attempt to bring the Muppets back in a big way with several different media niches and small/big projects, either (a) the Muppets would come under new ownership or (b) once bought by Disney, anytime whichever head of the Muppets division would get off to a good start on their Muppet-reintroduction plans, they were replaced with someone else and everything Muppet-at-Disney would be scraped back. Chris Curtin was off to a running start and was replaced thanks to internal Disney politics. Russell Hampton (i may not have the name right but i think so little of him i don't care) never really should have been in charge of them and didn't really have much a plan or seem to think of them as more than "a property we swallowed so we can release already made stuff on dvd and collect the money" and thankfully did not last long. Lyelle Brier was next and while she is still there, her initial plans got set back not because of another change in ownership but because of the writers strike. Had the strike not happened, i think we would have seen this level of push for the Muppets occuring almost around this time last year. I really think she both "gets" the Muppets as well as how they work and is doing a great job of getting them where they need to be - Aside from the web stuff (muppets xd and youtube), Studio DC just happens to be the first quasi-major project and because it's marketed to a younger crowd may not be as exciting to some of us veteran Muppet-freaks, but it is necessary and perhaps in some ways all for the best that the tweens got in their early and first - this will only help the projects (like Santa) that are aimed at multi-generations. (Keep in mind the original plan was going to be the next big Muppet project was going to be a network special on elections and political humor which would totally have reeled in the adults, but was scrapped and the Christmas special originally planned for next year moved up due to the fear that there would be no repeat/resale value in something so locked into a specific time). Keep in mind much more will be forthcoming that we don't know about yet!

    I'm glad the Studio DC specials are getting heavy DC rotation and reception, but it still seems like more could be done on the channel - there should be commercials for the dvds and at the least ads for Disney's OWN muppets website - a lot of the regular Disney Channel shows have commercials for their websites and how much of them have frequently updated original content? There should be at least a crawl saying "Want to see more Muppet madness? Check out Muppets.com" (and once there, there will be ads/clips for the dvds).

    Now on to some earlier stuff...

    Piggy's number with Cheetah Girls was a highpoint for me...not as much the singing but the moves - this was Diva Piggy at her best, those "heaving movements" at the start and the arm waves (and in response to how are they doing that, i think things like those arm waves and some of the stuff from Bop to the Top where with the benefit of some CGI touch ups - hey as long as they're removing the arm wires, why not go whole-hog...if the porcine subjects of the topic at hand will pardon the expression). That's actually a great example of technology helping and bringing out the best of the Muppets rather than "replacing" them as often is feared in discussions pertaining to digital enhancements. Of course at the end, Piggy was doing a different kind of "heaving" but still, this was really a classic Piggy moment!

    This one was better paced, i think because the first one was basically getting out of the way all the stuff that was originally taped as interstitials before it was decided to include them in a show (in DC 1, you could easily divide the first and second halfs into two distinct parts with some small links between them to tie them into the Studio DC concepts, whereas in DC 2, it was just a whole buncha stuff intermixed in each half). I also personally liked how the talent appearing in the second one where generally more _talentED_ than those in the first, though that's not a blanket statement! (I do think Miley is a talented singer if not as strong an actress and gets overshadowed by her own hype and i don't really care much for the two younger stars that were with Statler and Waldorf but they found a way to use them well). Too bad the actors from Life With Derek haven't been included as i would rank the acting on that show better than the rest of the current DC crop (but then if i'm not mistaken, that was originally something Disney acquired from somewhere else?)

    I'm not overly concerned with things like "where's Bunson - Beaker was there but now Bunson!" or "Rowlf should have had a scene" - this kind of thing always happens with a new production; fans have this checklist of all the major and minor characters and flip out when their fave isn't there...there's only so much that can be done in a 20 minute show (even in a 90 minute movie, there's only so much you can do). So who "wasn't" there doesn't bug me so much - Bunson has been used well over the last several years, and Beaker has often been used in ways without him and this was a perfect way to include him! I'm more hyped but what we DID get between the two - Snowths, Scooter (speaking!), all of the EM with lines! Camilla.

    Loved the "less talka talka, more Wocka Wocka line" especially probably because as a One Life to Live addict, one of the characters on there (diner owner Mo) is known for exasperating his staff by constantly remarking "A little less Talk-ie, a little more Work-ie", and this totally reminded me of that!

    Finally the whole Floyd question - someone posted (anonymously) on a "comments" thread on Muppets NewsFlash that Floyd was looped by Jerry Nelson on the first DC, and while i find it a bid odd that he would be uncredited or that they would go through the trouble of having him do so for essentially a four-word line, it did sound like Jerry's Floyd so i am apt to believe that (yet while still not 100% convinced without more concrete evidence). However, i can state without any shred of doubt that if that was the case, Jerry did NOT loop the voice for Floyd in DC 2!
     
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Nicely said DW! It is always a pleasure to read your posts and articles. I didn't know the bits about Russell Hampton. The Muppets have had so many hoops to jump through. It seems that now they're finally getting somewhere. ;)
     
  5. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    One thing I believe is very important to keep in mind is the fact that much has changed about the Muppet staff, our society and the world in general since their 1970s and 80s popularity height. It is essential to understand that very, very delicate balances exist when two or more people work on anything together, in any form of labor, in any field. There are countless intangible elements that come into play, especially in the arts. And even more so in the entertainment business, which is one-half entertainment and one-half business.

    A very delicate balance existed long ago when Jim was alive and everything was a playland. The Muppets were on top of a world that was just right for them, with a seemingly endless output of productions that we today consider classics.

    Henson, and now Disney, has been trying since 1990 to recreate that balance, a balance that once existed because involved were the right people at the right time. That was the key to the Muppets’ success and at the helm, of course, was Jim. It’s been said that Jim’s greatest ability (of many he had with which we are so familiar) was his talent for sniffing out the right people for the job. That began with his first hires: Jerry Juhl and Frank Oz, the two people considered most essential to the Muppets after Jim himself.

    I don’t want to recall the entire history of Jim’s career, but my point is that any success exists (regardless of how easy it is to see or identify) because the right people are involved at the right time. Who the right people are and what the right time is are variables, frequently recognized only after the fact. The constant is that special and sensitive balance that does indeed exist. Always.
     
  6. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    AFAIK, Life with Derek belongs to Disney the way Nightmare Before Christmas does (er.. sorta). They don't actually MAKE it but they show it on their channel.

    It's a fantastic show though and I think it would be great if they could've been in one of the Studio DC's (season 1 is actually coming out on DVD soon :D )
     
  7. Vic Romano

    Vic Romano Active Member

    Wow, very well said. Great observation, it really put the whole thing into perspective for me.
     
  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well having a close relationship with a Muppet writer (Jim Lewis) I'm a little bias on this, but I think in AVMMXM Jim got the Kermit and Piggy relationship down pat. Though out that whole movie both Kermit and Piggy needed each other, and I think that is really where there relationship has grown apart. With just mostly doing Interviews like they have lattly, both Kermit and Piggy want to promote themselfs as the leader of there relationship, and nether one of them needing the other. When hard times hit however both the Frog and the Pig need each other to be stong, and that is what we need to see more of.
     
  9. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    Like I said before, it could work well with a balance of DC and the older films. I never 'got' any of The Muppet Movie's jokes when I was little but that never stopped me from enjoying them :). And I think, even if some of this next generation needs DC as a stepping stone they may feel the same way if they give the older movies a chance on Disney channel on the weekends or something :). After all, it can only help the new muppet and FR movies IMHO :excited:
     
  10. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    I noticed Jerry didn't dub over Floyd in the second Studio DC show. Maybe because Floyd had only one line and maybe they thought nobody (except us fans) would know the difference.

    I knew it was Jerry dubbing Floyd's voice in the first Studio DC show, Maybe Jerry's coming back! :sing: :batty: :smirk:
     
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Jerry's voice has been a little lower pitched since his Robin dub in VMX so his one-liners are hard for me to tell whether or not it is the great Mr. Nelson voicing his classic characters. That is, until any of them begin to sing. He's the Muppet performer with always perfect and distinct pitch. :sing:

    I was reading over at Tough Pigs (they've had some amazing articles recently) and there is a several part interview with Steve Whitmire. I find it amusing because the little bit I know of Mr. Whitmire is that he doesn't do much internet surfing so this interview was most certainly in person. (Jealous frogboy)

    Anyway, it appears that Dave Goelz underwent some sort of surgery recently that prevented him from a few key production dates including the YouTube performance (that was actually Steve's Gonzo). It isn't likely serious or I'm certain that would have been noted. Just hope he's doing well now! Dave has always been my favorite performer and I've had the privilege of meeting him twice.

    Back to what I was trying to say before my tangent is that maybe that is why Gonzo appeared to be performed by someone else during that Studio DC special. I wonder if that was Steve's Gonzo too. We all noticed a bit of difference in the movements (as we fans do). :concern:

    I am just so excited about all of these projects! And I am wearing my new Urban Outfitters vintage Muppet Caper t-shirt! I am such a Muppet dork and proud to be so! It's a lifelong commitment that I take very seriously. ;)
     
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Wow Toghpigs is really starting to become a cool website!
     
  13. MuppetDanny

    MuppetDanny Well-Known Member

    To UK Fans

    "Studio Dc Almost Live" get it's UK Premiere :

    Time - 18:00 to 18:25 (25 minutes long).
    When - Friday 24th October on Disney

    and

    Time - 19:00 to 19:25 (25 minutes long).
    When - Friday 24th October on Disney Plus 1

    :)
     
  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I'm really glad that they are going to show this in the UK. I don't live in the UK myself, but i truly beleve that all the world should enjoy the goodness of both Studio DC. I wonder if there will be some unseen UK sceen that we have not seen here in the USA that will air.
     
  15. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Ok, I sat down finally and watched this last night...I liked this one a lot better than the other special. They toned down on some of the stuff that I thought made the last one corny. The DC actors were less annoying to me and I think interacted better with the characters then on the last one.

    I loved seeing more screentime of the Electric Mayhem, Statler and Waldorf, Rizzo, Swedish Chef, SCOOTER! I actually cracked up a little at some of the lines in this one too.......
     
  16. JEANYLASER

    JEANYLASER Member

    I really love Studio DC it is awesome!
     
  17. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    I've finally seen both Studio DC specials on Youtube. They had some cute moments, but in general I don't like the attitude with which the kids treated the muppets! It's as if they think they are just weird crazy stupid puppets. There's no respect there. Maybe these actors are too young, but they are actors and should be acting as if the muppets are real performers with great careers, even if they are kooky. I think the only actors who did this well were the kids who play Zach and Cody, and Ashley Tisdale (Brenda Song was pretty good with Piggy too) in the first special, and Demi Lovato in the second special.
     
  18. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I thought that this special was better than the first one. The highlights were Beaker's duet and the main plotline.
     
  19. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    That's what it's all about! This is one of the best ways to get the Muppets in kids' minds, IMO.

    Heck, it works for me. I actually know these stars and appreciate their work, unlike a LOT of the old Muppet Show guest stars, who's work I'm generally unfamilar with (being born in 1988 and all :p )
     
  20. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Looking back at it, i find it odd that even though she hosted the second one, Selena Gomez didn't really have much to actually do (especially complared to the Sprouse Brothers in the first one). I've been realizing lately how gifted Selena actually is as a singer lately (unlike other Disney Factory "Stars", she has real innate talent - though Demi Lovato's nothing to sneeze at either) and am surprised she didn't get to do any singing. I'm predicting in ten years, Selena will be better known/recognized as a singer than an actress.
     


Share This Page

Sign Up for Email and Save 15% + Free Shipping @ ShopPBS.org!