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Your Thoughts: Studio DC Hosted by Selena Gomez

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Oct 5, 2008.

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What did you think of Studio DC Hosted by Selena Gomez?

  1. I loved Studio DC.

    29 vote(s)
    38.2%
  2. Studio DC was good.

    33 vote(s)
    43.4%
  3. Studio DC was just so-so.

    7 vote(s)
    9.2%
  4. I disliked Studio DC.

    7 vote(s)
    9.2%

  1. LeanneFuller

    LeanneFuller Active Member

    Finally got to see this on YouTube again. Wish that they would show this on Disney Channel UK. This is has to be the best thing the Muppets have done since the Muppet Show.

    I'm loving it, I feel 3 years old again. I am a big Disney Channel Fan so the fact that DC stars are working with the Muppets to me is fantastic.

    Leanne
    x

    Bring Studio DC to the UK Please!
     
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    The Beaker duet moment is definitely really sweet. The only thing that occurs to me is, how are today's kids who haven't seen Muppet Show or some of the movies supposed to understand why these puppet characters are the way they are? It seems to me this is the mistake companies keep making. Attempting to reintroduce a '70s or '80s icon to today's kids without any sort of proper introduction. Showing Muppet Wizard of Oz isn't going to make it much clearer to kids.
     
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    That's exactly what this special does. Studio DC takes its crew of established or relatable stars and pairs them with the Muppets in order to connect the dots to younger viewers that there is something cool about the Muppets.

    The Muppets then kind of navigate through the (albeit somewhat ill-fitting) familiar Disney show advertising template. In this they don't make a formal introduction, rather they plant the seed of what each character is about in a very brief time period. The first special really failed at that key component due to its strangling these moments with too many schizophrenic cuts.

    From this special's brief introduction to the Muppets (through the Disney kids) younger audiences can rent, buy or surf for more classic Muppet materials that better establish the characters. These specials are merely giving them a reason to want to do so. I assure you that before these specials far too many kids didn't have enough of an idea of the Muppets as viable entertainment for their generation.

    These kids are a crucial demographic for the Disney brand. It could all be done a lot better, but I'd rather the Muppets pull out the big guns for one of these more exciting projects to come.
     
  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    If that is the case, they're going to have to keep making these and develop a pattern. (And not just show one Muppet movie where they're playing other characters).

    There were kids who did like the Muppets before this though. Not all kids need to be told something is cool (thank goodness, heh). The problem has been that not enough classic material has been made available.
     
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Unfortunately older movies don't get much exposure in general. It’s not just Muppets. I think the "new classics" catch phrase on the TNT network best sums it up. That network replaces the airing of real classics with very recent popular films, yet still labels them classics. I remember Ted Turner once boasting his colorizing of classic films by stating, “Black and white isn’t cool anymore!” Um…where’s one of Fozzie’s cream pies when you need one? I like good movies old and new.

    I actually felt the 50th anniversary Muppet film DVDs were too geared toward children in cover art, special features and the near-discarding of the widescreen versions (originally the DVDs were set to be completely pan and scan). Those Disney DVD treatments were pretty underwhelming, but they were advertised to kids on some kids' cable television markets and on numerous kids' DVDs. Still, there should have been more promotion, but an effort was definitely made. A more proportionate one will be made in the future once there is a demand for it from new fans made by SDC.

    The Muppet Show DVDs are competitively priced. There is no way they could come out any cheaper and not contain cuts. I am actually impressed that they have been able to keep the price so low ($39-34 range on Amazon is similar to classic television like MASH and far cheaper than Ugly Betty or other current ABC/Disney fare).

    The magic formula for the Muppets, Disney and their Channel as I see it: Kids see the Muppets on Studio DC. + They then see similar looking Muppet productions (where the Gonzo puppet resembles the current one) that appear to be fresh and exciting to them. + Market the current and new release Muppet DVDs in ads on the Disney Channel. = This will give Disney the younger fans the Muppet brand has been lacking in recent years and ultimately less division in project targeting. People of all ages will be seeking out Muppet product of all kinds.
     
  6. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Ya know... normally I hate math, but I REALLY like this! :hungry:
     
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh yes, absolutely! Very strange phenomenon to say the least.

    You are right, it's true of every DVD now. It's just that it's further contributing to the problem as I see it.

    Like I said, I have no problem with Disney bringing in new material to introduce kids to the Muppets. I do think showing the Disney kids with the Muppets can help. I just don't agree with the idea that kids need to see new things, before liking older things. That's not what I see from people.

    Thanks for the discussion! :)
     
  8. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Active Member

    I haven't said anything yet because I've been so busy and dealing with health issues again but I thought this was much better than the first one, the Muppets acted like Muppets to me in this and that's what I was looking for.
    Scooter and Beaker at the end where the icing on the cake.
    This special made me happy and thats all that really counts.
     
  9. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    Kids need to see new Muppet productions to generate interest in the old and in the brand in general. Wrong as we may think it is, the Muppets are generally viewed as a preschool brand currently. The assumption by many, many parents is that Muppets are the equivalent of Sesame Street and their kids are too sophisticated for that-- they watch Sponge Bob and DC and Muppets and Sesame are too simplistic and old fashioned. Note: This is not my view and I know we probably all know parents who don't think this way. But this is the default view of many parents who lack a proper appreciation for all things Muppet.

    I think Disney is right to go after upper elementary and tween viewers for the Muppets. Separate them from Sesame in the minds of kids and parents. Create a little buzz. Maybe the kids will check out the old movies and TMS DVDs. Maybe they won't but they'll create enough audience demand for new projects. New projects will lead to new fans. As kids go from viewers to fans they will explore the old stuff. It takes time to build a new audience.
     
  10. Dr. Bombay

    Dr. Bombay Member

    Thank you for posting these re-air times. I totally forgot to put it on the DVR but didn't think much of it as I didn't think much of the first one...but after reading all these great reviews, I MUST see it!
     
  11. Quazimoto

    Quazimoto Active Member

    Alrighty, I don't really have the time to go through 13 pages of this thread, but having just watched the new Studio DC, I must say... BRAVO.

    :)

    It was so much better than the first one. By leaps and bounds even. While I feel the first had good intentions, it's execution was terrible (IMHO). This time around however, everything was much smoother. The character interaction. The pacing. The overall set-up and storyline. It was all and all 100 tiems better than the first SDC. Plus, Fozzie had a much bigger role, which is always a good thing.

    :o

    The only gripes I would have with the second SDC is that, once again, it was too short and left me wanting more. Half an hour would be great for a more regular show, but if they want to keep it as periodic specials, perhaps an hour would be better suited to highlight the Muppets a bit more.

    Other than that I was a little disappointed at the lack of Bobo The Bear, Sam Eagle, & Rowlf. It was nice to see Scooter again, eve if he was missing any semblance of a neck, and wonderful to have the Electric Mayhem return once more, but what's the deal with the missing characters. Bobo I can kinda understand as he's a more recent Muppet addition, but no Rowlf or Sam Eagle!

    :attitude:

    All in all, I thouroughly enjoyed the second SDC and look forward to more to come.
     
  12. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    I agree and disagree. I've experienced it myself, and also had the same debate over Fraggles. It is totally true that you can show a small group of kids TMS or Fraggle Rock and some of them will sit down and enjoy it. I think the case is though that these shows, being older and times having changed, not just in the world but also in terms of how TV for kids is put together (pacing, style, scripting, the need for licensing opportunities) they need to put out new stuff in the style kids are more used to watching in order to be able to make the brand have some kind of mass impact. There is then definitely a case they can air the classic stuff, especially the movies.

    It does seem to be slowly working - comments on the first DC special were kinda mixed, but i've seen a lot of positive stuff written for this one. Disney aren't shoving the Muppets down the kids throats like they did with Hannah, Suite Life, HSM so there must be some gradual acceptance of Kermit and the gang! (especially Beaker, those kiddies luv them some Meep Meep) :eek:
     
  13. GregJ

    GregJ New Member

    I'm happy to see the Muppets doing anything, even if it is only to play off the current crop of Disney 'tween stars. I do think it's rather tacky that they introduce them as 'The Muppets' instead of 'Jim Henson's Muppets,' though.
     
  14. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I get you, I just don't think the world has changed all that much based on my observations of history. We just all have very sort memories, or none at all if we weren't there. I think the media has always tried to give the impression of how much times change, for dramatic effect and to keep things fresh, and make a new generations of consumers feel special. (I mean think about it. We can't ALL be "The Pepsi Generation!" No matter what the TV tells us. ;))

    But in reality, people haven't really changed that much (and we all still listen to the media!). ;)

    And I will say I think the 2nd DC has been so well received because it was closer to the original Muppet spirit than other recent projects. :)
     
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I just remembered that NetFlix has given the Muppets great exposure for both the Muppets Take Manhattan and the Muppet Show Season Three. Both have been prominently featured in web and print ads that advertise NetFlix.

    I suppose Disney's thinking with DC is they've already got the core fans like us and they have most likely tracked the numerous younger fans already intrigued with everything that is Muppet. With DC they are reaching out to those younger Disney Channel fans that aren't biting at the recent Muppet offerings.

    Again, I am all for more eyeballs and SDC is a great compromise in making that happen, yet I still hope that sort of thing is brief and temporary. I prefer just one Muppet world where all are welcome and entertained and believe that can happen. Disney could do a better job by plugging TMS season 3 in an ad or stick it in the bottom of the screen. Now that would make me very happy. That is ideal. :o
     
  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Agreed, that would give the impression that they aren't trying to separate the fans or show a preference to the old or new. And after seeing DC, some kids might be interested. (Yes I do admit that, lol, I'm just saying it's not the only way to do it. Old doesn't have to take a back seat to new.) ;)
     
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :attitude: Just for clarification - It is my belief that old only has to take a temporary back seat to new in this Disney Channel market in order to gain these particular younger viewers who have already been exposed to some advertisements of the old and rejected it. Other than that I am with you. Nothing beats TMS, TMM and GMC in my book. Nothing. :cool:

    Some kids are already interested in the Muppets no matter what. That is not what these DC specials are for. They are to pick up the potential "swing fans" or "previously disinterested" viewers in order to strengthen the Muppet fan base that will allow for greater opportunities to solidify the brand in the future. This is just one portion of a much larger push in many areas and age groups. If you have any better ideas that will actually work definitely forward them to the Disney marketing department, however this seems to be doing the trick.

    I really do want to focus on the Muppets moving forward. Still, the remedy seems to marry this new DC stuff with advertising for the classic TMS stuff this portion of the Disney tween has previously passed up. The Disney Channel, Nick, MTV and others stick ads at the bottom of the screens and in crawls all the time.
     
  18. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Understood. :) It's just that, no offense to the newer projects from the '90s and now, but they did not bring the same large audience the Muppets once had. And I still say the older material has barely been given the exposure. So I am being skeptical, but optimistic. :)
     
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think it is best to "hit the reboot button" at the Segel Muppet movie deal, the YouTube/Muppets.com clips, Studio DC and the new Christmas special in the works. The Times article expresses a brand new push different than ever seen before with the Muppets (even in Jim's day).

    The reason that I cite newer 90s projects as better ones for Muppet introductions to this new Disney tween market is merely from an aesthetic branding point of view. It's the sugar frosting to entice these previously disinterested viewers before biting into the richness that is the classic Muppets. The continuity of character likeness is very important to that market too. Whatever is going to move them forward so that everything will eventually rise to the surface. I prefer a lot of new projects rather than 90s ones, but seeing that ABC Disney already has full ownership rights to Muppets Tonight it is a no-brainer to sprinkle some of those on the Disney Channel.

    Again, this is just for these particular potential straggling fans. We “lifers” know where the good stuff is and how wonderful it is. I really think this overall push is going to work so I have no worries we’ll get *all* the good stuff in time. :flirt:
     
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Those all may turn out to be great, and I hope they are. But again, Jim-era material was interntionally successful for years. Post-Jim material has not as yet achieved that (again no offence to them).

    I'm just not sure about the message we're sending to young people. "We know what the really great material is. But since you refuse to listen, we'll indulge you and show you newer, untested material first to please you." We're kinda telling kids it's OK to reject history and older entertainment. But it's not; adults have to encourage kids to appreciate these things. (And again, there are so many kids who actually do). :)

    The discussion's great but I have to drop out for now, hehe. Thanks!
     

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