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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Nov 22, 2011.
Yeah I saw that posted on ToughPigs that was very interesting to read!
This movie is my favorite movie of all time! It is funny, cute, colorful, has a great plot, had great songs, had some of the greatest characters from a great franchise, and taught me to believe in my childhood and to reach for my dreams. Thank you, Disney, for such a great movie. I'm looking forward to the sequel next year.
I've only gotten to watch The Muppets about six times this week ) It's a great workout video!) but I have a few of things to add:
Did anyone else catch that the two rubber chickens that Fozzie is showing to Walter are named Fran and Louise, as in Fran Brill and Louise Gold. What a lovely tribute!!
Let's talk about nakedness for a moment, shall we?
Okay--this is just a little bit of a snark, but I am always amused by the timing of Kermit's nudity. When they arrived at the theater to do the telethon, he's au naturale. Then, he apparently changes into this tux (Why, I can't imagine) for his conversation with Scooter about the schedule, and then with Veronica. THEN, he has to get naked again to appear in the "O" and then he puts his tux to do the introductions.
I'm also sort of intrigued by his decision to go to talk to Piggy naked. The reason this stands out to me is because he's already wearing his tuxedo (and looking very debonair, I might add) when he decides to talk to her. Was he hoping that his nudity would make him appear more vulnerable? Or just because he thinks Piggy will find him more irresistible naked? (Conniving little frog-fink.)
Scooter also seems to change clothes a bit back stage. He's wearing his trusty jacket during most of the show, but he changes into his tux when Kermit asks him to host.
Fozzie also changes from his normal furry self into a tuxedo'd version for the finale. But he has changed back into his regular fur before they walk out. Scooter does NOT change back into his regular clothes, leaving in his tuxedo. (He also looks quite dapper in his tux.) I was sorry that they didn't include all his lines from the blooper reel about them being owned by Tex Richman, which I thought were truly wonderful. David Rudman is doing a really lovely job with Scooter, capturing all of his nerdy, wistful, hyper-efficient wonderfulness. Also, although I've mentioned it before, I once again find Scooter's protestation that he doesn't appear on stage funny and charming--WATCH him while they are cleaning up, singing into the broom handle. The kid is a ham, just like the rest of them, and I always love it when he gets a chance to shine onstage.
Inexplicably, while Walter is on stage, several of the muppets change back into their regular attire. We see The Newsman in his tux for the finale, but in his plaid jacket for the phones. We see Fozzie in his tux watching Watler backstage, then in his regular fur after. Sam also appears sans tux on the phone lines after appearing backstage in his tux while Walter sings. Piggy seems to change clothes and hairstyles throughout the entire movie, but--of course--we're used to that, aren't we? So no big....
(I do, in fact, realize that all these costume issues are really the result of editing a lot of footage into a movie that can't contain all of it, but I can't help but try to make sense out of what we see--and have a little fun with it.)
Does it strike anybody else as funny that Kermit's idea of advertising is to have Scooter hand out fliers? Twitter, anyone? Or the internet?
I think that Peter Linz's masterful handling of Walter's body language in the scene where Gary encouraged him to go onstage for the muppets is just perfect. The way that Walter's entire body betrays his insecurity is touching.
I love the way Beaker hides almost his entire head in his tuxedo when they are panicking backstage before Walter goes on.
Hmmm, what else...? I admit to being baffled by complaints about Gary & Mary and the resolution of their relationship, especially since it it THEIR relationship that reminds Kermit that he needs to set things right with Piggy. I found Jason and Amy very charming additions to the cast and was glad to have their help.
That's all for now. I'm sure I'll think of something else while I'm working out tonight....
Wow, love all those cool little observations. Didn't catch the Fran and Louise thing, but that is a fantastic tribute to two great performers.
Also, handing out fliers does seem a bit strange considering that the Muppets seem to be gearing more towards technological usage in their productions, but I guess they wanted to retain the original feel of the old fashioned flow? No wonder Hobo Joe is the only one who came...he's the only one that bothers to read those pieces of tree.
And you are making me want to go back and watch this movie today just so I can see some of the little things you are talking about.
So did you? Go back and watch it?
I've watched it about six times this week. I watched all my muppet Christmas specials but I apparently wasn't "full" yet, so I'm revisiting EVERYTHING ELSE! (I'm watching The Muppets NOW while I ski on my Nordic Track! Let's hear it for technology!)
You are aware that if the frog has his signature 11-point collar on, he doesn't consider himself to be naked right?
Beaker tucking his head in when panicked, heh, that's a signature gag for him.
There is one thing that bugs me, it happens during the finale reprise of Life's A Happy Song. We know Jerry voiced the telethon announcer, but he also voiced a character who says: "Would you please stop singing? We've already heard this song." Who was that? I can't identify him, unless it was Mr. Johnson and I don't think Sesame would let that slip past them.
Amy Adams has these weirdish notes when she sings. Listen to when she sings "Mary, will you marrrrrry me" and "What happens at a Me Party stays at a Me Party."
Incidently, I love that song, shame it like a few others got cut for timelength reasons.
Already said this, but the full-on version of the arches and the finale version of Rainbow Connection were the two moments that made me smile the broadest in fannish glee.
I haven't heard it in awhile, but I always thought that was Dave Goelz doing his "Waldorf" voice. I'll have to check back.
Hm...that is an interesting thought...I'll check into that, since now it has sparked my curiosity also.
Um, are you talking about when Tex Richmond comes along and says that? Because he does say that, right about the time the muppaphones are on....
And Amy does her "weird voice" things for (as Gonzo would say) dramatic emphasis. It's not scatting--that's a different sort of vocalization, but she is doing a sort of campy, emotional thing to show the emotion of the character....
Did that help?
Yes, Ru just stole the words from my mouth...that is Tex Richman who said that in the song, I just checked.
That was Tex? All I know is Marvin sings his lines, Eric gives him ze accent. Then the Muppaphones get hit. Then I hear a Jerry Nelson voice say the lines complaining about how the Muppets already sang this song. Will have to wait for it to play on MCR again to make sure.
I agree that Amy's not scatting, that comes later during the Mahna Mahna running gag closing the movie itself.
One of the moments I've read about that makes me grin is when Wayne and Wanda get caught kissing backstage.
Yeah, it's Tex Richman. You can see him singing in the finale.
I always assumed Chris Cooper was dubbed for the finale. But again, it's been so long since I watched this movie.
Chris wasn't dubbed for the finale--he wanders throughout the finale fussing about the muppets singing. He is also shown with Snowths during "Mahna Mahna," smiling and happy to be there.
I hear Gonzo shot all of his scenes while attending the 2010 International Gouda Cheese Festival in Bombay, India. He was then painstakingly blue-screened into every shot by Industrial Light and Magic. That's why we see him in only a few scenes and he doesn't react very much to the environments. I also hear that Camilla's performance was entirely computer generated due to the complications of a chemical peel that temporarily left her face looking like fried chicken. And apparently, it is now a proven fact that if you make a silly face long enough, it will stick that way.
Not to mention Pepe, who was in Vegas for most of the shooting. I'm not going to go into what he was doing there, but that explains why he has so little to do. And everyone knows that Jason Segel hired the best caterers in Hollywood. Needless to say, Rizzo was 'busy' throughout production. In fact, he lost his voice for a few weeks, apparently from eating some month-old cheese (I have no idea how that works). Meanwhile, Robin had no idea this film was being made until he visited his Uncle Kermit on the set one day (for the scene where he addresses a large crowd of Muppets).
Unfortunately Fozzie was trying to recreate the infamous "Love in a Laudromat" scene from Muppets at Walt Disney World and ended up in a dryer which frizzed and fluffed his hair out to ridiculously clean proportions.
According to reports, Bunsen lost his glasses before shooting began. Fake glasses were bluescreened in. But for most of the shooting, he walked around the set partially blind, and knocked over pretty much everything around him. And apparently, he mistook Amy Adams' lamp for Beaker. He tried out one of his experiments on 'Beaker', ultimately causing the explosion from the scene where Gonzo destroys his building (it was planned to use stock footage for the explosion). Amy Adams was unhappy with what Bunsen did to her lamp, everybody else was unhappy with the damages they had to pay for, and Bunsen was eventually taken off of the set. Not even Crazy Harry was happy, apparently because he wasn't the cause of the explosion.
Okay--just watching the show (again) and loving it, and I clearly recognized what the Swedish Chef says when he opened the fridge with the disgusting food in it: "Say hello to my little friend...."
Thank you for clearing that up for me, Ru, because I had no clue what they were saying to the Swedish Chef.. Hehehe! I thought it wsa funny, even though nmy mom it was WEIRD.
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