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Another Stupid movie to Overreact to...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    He makes points, but there's a thousand and one BETTER projects that get that point across. I shouldn't even need to list examples on this site, we all know them. Even violent super hero/action adventure shows have some good moral values in them (don't give up, always take the moral high ground, stand up for your friends...etc). Need I even mention a cartoon of a certain...uh... equestrian nature? I've even heard some great messages in South Park of all places.

    Yeah, we live in a crapsack world and kids deal with way too much of it that turns them into bitter fear crazed adults that are the route of our problems... but I think we can do a little better than off brand local amusement park mascots. :excited: I give the writer credit for taking a moral high ground, though.
  2. mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Oh, you know that My Bedbugs show someone mentioned several pages back? Well, I recently discovered that The Oogieloves is just that with the serial numbers filed off.

    It turns out the creators (who are a husband and wife) conceived it as a way to teach their kids about hygiene and the importance of sleep. However, as the recession hit, they were forced to sell off the rights to save their production company, and he-who-shall-not-be-named proceeded to destroy their beloved creations.

    So yeah, that's another reason to hate this "marketing genius". :grouchy:
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  3. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    WOW! Where did you get that info? I'd love to read all the details!
  4. mr3urious Well-Known Member

  5. Slackbot Well-Known Member

    I heard about "My Bedbugs" too, but I couldn't find more than the barest bones of info. Soon as I'm not on dialup I'll check out that video.
  6. charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Oh wow! I didn't realize that it was "visionary" to be a vulture.
  7. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm a victim of the Hokuto Shinken... My mind is BLOWN!

    (if you knew Fist of the North Star, you'd get that reference).

    That is pretty underhanded, but nothing too different from what Hollywood usually does. I just feel bad for the two actual creators even if it sucked anyway. I mean, they had a much more heartfelt reason to foist this upon the world.

    Still... FTB can always get more rentals and DVD sales.
  8. SuperGzilla12 Active Member

    On August 31, out of curiousity, I wasted $11 for a ticket to see this... thing... in the cinema.

    I have not been to the cinema since.

    Just sayin',
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  9. BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    I'm still trying to comprehend that this thing was actually made.
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  10. SuperGzilla12 Active Member

    You think YOU can't figure out why this was made?!? Buddy... you can't say that - You haven't seen this thing... yet... I will make sure that you do!
  11. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Again, the reasoning behind it is understandable. There clearly was no way that any of the networks would touch an Oogieloves TV show, since the big mascot costume kiddy show is way passe. Yo Gabba Gabba is sort of popular because hipsters with kids watch it (considering someone from Devo created it, the characters look like 1970's Japanese kid's show mascots, and among other things, the Homestarrunner guys gave some input somewhere)... but most kiddy shows today are animated, quite a bit of it CGI or Flash, though there are those that have semi-traditional digital animation.

    And like I always say, movie merchandise is above all others. Wal*Mart famously screwed the Transformers Animated toy line because it wasn't the movie merchandise. Playmates dumped any TMNT merchandise that wasn't based off movie designs, and for the longest time, there was nothing but movie related toys on shelves. So, logically, the franchise of merchandising, a subsequent TV show, and DTV products was to have been built on the film's success. Luckily, it didn't HAVE any.
  12. SuperGzilla12 Active Member

    Believe it or not, my friend, but despite the film's record-breaking failure, they're still planning on making two more entries for the... ugh... Oogieloves trilogy. And they're planning on merchandise for the next one.

    http://family-room.ew.com/2012/09/04/the-oogieloves-tanked-kenn-viselman/
  13. Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Making further Oogiloves films is the cinematic equivalent of potlatch.
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  14. BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Filming supposedly started this month. :eek:
  15. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    To be fair, he is considering to release the other 2 straight to DVD. It's hard to say if damage has been done or that home video will find an audience for them. This guy clearly wants to ram these characters down children's throats, and he's not even waiting to see how DVD sales/rentals of this film is going to go.

    If Ken was as smart as he thought he was, he would have done the first one, nay, the entire series as a DTV. It has the production values of one, and I'm sure it would be every big a hit at Redbox as those cheaply made mockbusters and thrown together CGI kiddy films like Frogface Freddy. When heavy hitters like Elmo and Barney can't get a preschool audience to theaters, what made him think a completely unknown (save for a couple bad PSA's) franchise would do any better?

    He desperately wants to make it a thing, and he desperately wants to make it a TV show. According to the article, he's going to rush one out next year. It's fairly obvious the motive is so that people KNOW who the characters are, so the next movie will have some audience. I don't think any network is going to touch the TV show with that big a failure attached to it. I REALLY hope PBS doesn't pick it up, and I just can't see Disney Junior, Nick Jr., or any one left picking it up. Maybe Sprout, but I doubt it.
  16. SuperGzilla12 Active Member

    Well, the whole idea for this in the first place was to create a crowd-participation movie (of the likes of The Rocky Horror Picture Show) for preschool children, hence why he wanted it in cinemas.

    But, yeah, he obviously shouldn't have taken the risk. Despite the marketing efforts (The budget for which was $60 Million, three times over the film's production budget), this was obviously going to fall flat on it's face.

    Like you said, if preschool giants like Barney and Elmo (Or, more recently, Winnie the Pooh) couldn't bring in cinema audiences, this was obviously not going to do any better. Parents just don't seem to want to take small children to the cinema, and it makes sense. That, and it was released at a very poor time - Late August is hardly a good release date for a children's movie.
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  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Another reason, but something tells me he was going to try to make a TV series and needed a reason for it. The participation bit was the selling point.

    But like I always say, Americans are completely confused by movie versions of TV shows that aren't 30 years too late, poorly cast, and mock themselves mercilessly. Current TV shows that get movies are hit or miss, while internationally (Japan especially) have no problem with current cartoon/kid's shows being theatrical. So even if the show came first and (perish the thought) was a raging success, there's no guarantee that the movie would have had any success that wasn't DTV.


    I don' think any time of the year would have been good for it. Maybe winter vacation... but I don't see any reason why parents would pay good money to take their kids to something of low quality. This didn't even have production values. But August is a killer. Paranorman didn't get the audience it deserved, neither did Scott Pilgrim.
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  18. BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Oogieloves really wouldn't have worked any time of the year. Ken probably wanted to get the movie in the summer season but not have to deal with Dark Knight Rises (completely different film but I think you get my drift). But even that doesn't always work, Elmo in Grouchland had a decent release date, first weekend in October. Little kids are getting in the groove of the school year and want things to do now that the transition is basically over, there were no other family films in sight, DreamWorks had success with Antz the same weekend the year before... but it's still the factor parents just weren't willing to take younger kids to the theater for that. Though I have noticed before in the 13 years since Elmo in Grouchland that every now and then, there will be a kid's movie opening the first weekend in October for some reason, presumably for the same reasons Sony chose that date...
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  19. SuperGzilla12 Active Member

    Yeah, probably. I'm just going off what Ken has said in Oogieloves-related interviews.

    Yeah, in August, the potential audience was getting prepaired for day care or preschool - No time for this, really. Maybe a Spring release would've been a bit better (March or April - There's not much else then, and it still seems to be a safe time in their schedules)

    But yeah, this was set to fail whenever it was to be released. And trust me... I've seen it... it really deserves it.
  20. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Oh, I definitely agree. Winter vacation may have got a few more tickets here or there (winter was kind to the lame Gnome film), but over all, I don;t see any adults willingly taking their children to this no matter how hard they begged (if they actually did).

    Still, the fact they encourage kids to act up in the theaters? Brilliant. They're not going to take that to any other movie ever.
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