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Another Stupid movie to Overreact to...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The (corrected) budget for the film was 20 million. Even if no one saw it, it's a 20 million dollar loss. That's a bomb, sure, but not even a legendary one. Mars needs Moms... THAT was legendary failure, mainly do to it's high budget. Now it depends on scale of percentage losses, if it's a loss greater than 90% of the budget THAT would be a massive flop relatively.

    But it seems they knew this movie wasn't bound to make money, that's why they did it low budget. This thing is going to have a <20 million dollar loss no doubt... but hardly a $100,000,000 loss like MNM.
  2. MissMusical12

    MissMusical12 Well-Known Member

    Mars Needs Moms....just looking at that title, you know it's going to be a REALLY stupid movie.
  3. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Here's a list of box office bombs from Wikipedia, where bombs are defined by the movies that lost the most money from production to ticket sales.

    By percentage of budget lost, A Troll In Central Park as the biggest flop of all time, losing a mind-boggling 99.70 percent of its budget.

    EDIT: Mars Needs Moms lost 77.72 percent of its budget.
  4. MissMusical12

    MissMusical12 Well-Known Member

    BEHOLD! The Nostalgia Critic shall explain why.....:news:
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's what I was using as reference by the way... just didn't feel like posting it.

    It's all about Scale. Troll in Central Park, adjusted, lost about 36 million, but it was pretty cheap to produce. But MNM... HUGE overblown budget... same with Green Lantern. It made like 200 mil... but out of a 300+ mil....

    It's based off a kids book by Berkeley Breathed, the cartoonist behind the Bloom County comic strip and an established children's book author. I never actually read that one, but have read some of his other ones... they're very sweat, well written and well illustrated kids books that are at the top of their class.

    But THAT's the problem. It was a kid's book, and kids picture book adaptions to the big screen? Ehhhhhhhh.... the words unnecessary filler keep coming into my head. At best there was Shrek that BARELY managed to resemble the original (in so much the fact that Shrek was a reluctant ogre, there was a talking Donkey, and there was an ogre princess... that was COMPLETELY different from the movie one). I don't want to mention that other film as a bad example (people actually like it, and that bugs me as a fan of the original book), but it's basically an adaption in name only with a certain event sort of like the book, but explained and rationalized to the point where it becomes something less.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Bit of an oxymoron, considering Bloom County, and the spin-off Opus are rather edgy, borderline adult comic strips.

    But I digress, did he actually a children's book with Opus? I seem to recall a storybook from Grade 2 about a penguin in bunny pajamas.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You... uh... know about Dr. Seuss's uh... earliest work, right? He kinda did some... uh... particularly not politically correct stuff. And I don't mean just his WW2 editorial cartoons.

    A Wish For Wings that Work. That was turned into an animated special...
  8. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Have you seen this? Is it any good?
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    When it fist aired, man. I taped it too. But since my VCR is gone, I'd have to get the DVD provided it's even still in print.

    But lemme tell you something. It's a stone cold shame that there was never any other Bloom County animated specials. The animation was the most beautiful thing you'd ever see. Bill was even more fun in animation. Great, classic special that unfortunately is forgotten by everyone but Bloom County fans.
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  11. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I'm a big Bloom County fan (have the first three volumes of the complete collection, hopefully will get the fourth and fifth soon), but I had read that Breathed didn't like the special upon release, and therefore wasn't sure if it was any good.

    They should have made an animated version of Bill the Cat's workout tape.
  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    A lot of authors say that about their work when it's first adapted for a special or a movie or anything like that.
  13. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

  14. robodog

    robodog Well-Known Member

    Thank God. I could care less about Barney but despite not really liking Elmo all that much, I'd hate to see that POS beat any Sesame Street movie. It's the principle of the thing. The worst of Sesame Street is still billions of times better than this Oogieloves garbage.
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  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Other than the worst of Sesame Street being better than 90% of what they call preschool edutainment anyway. Barney's movie came out well after his popularity was dropping, and the Elmo movie seemed too big a money maker to fail and failed because of that... other than the fact Barney took a while to get back his (completely undeserved) popularity, and even then it didn't last all that long, Sesame Street shrugged it off.

    But unlike the other two, there's a unique situation about this movie. Barney and Sesame Street were established kid's franchises. Oogieloves was supposed to be the big debut of these characters, leading to Frog knows what else. Clearly a TV show... but no one's biting. It looks dated as heck, first off all. I mean, Sesame Street may still use puppets, but they always look clean fresh and relevant like the Muppets should... but Oogs are big clumsy, expressionless costumes that died out with the 90's. We have so many poorly animated CGI preschool fodder out today (basically most of Playhouse Disney's programming) that some dopey, low rent theme park looking costumes just don't capture the kids in anymore.
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  16. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    Suddenly reminded of Venkman. "Aww, but the kids love us!"

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  17. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The newly revised Wikipedia article has much more good news.

    The final budget was somewhere over 50 million (mostly on marketing), so it's going to lose a crapload more than we thought.

    I'm loving the Rotten Tomatoes reviews on it, but I think Boston Phoenix puts it in the best perspective:

    There clearly was a plan for this film, and it really feels like they wanted to make a pilot, but they knew no one would buy it. It was clear they were going to make a TV show from there... unless the guy has some blisteringly amazing connections, I don't think we're in danger of that. Plus, PBS, as much as SuperWhy exists, is moving beyond that kind of low rent children's entertainment. Barney's got like a one time a day showing mid-morning (the equivalent of a PBS death slot). Meanwhile, DinoTrain took off big time, and their programming is constantly getting better (can't tell with the new Daniel Tiger thing... didn't see it yet, and I'm not quite in the mood for it today).
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  19. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Already its opening is lower than 2008's Delgo, and we all know how much of a bomb that was.
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It would have been much wiser to release this as a DTV with Redbox in mind. Every time I walk by a Redbox, it's filled with Mockbusters and cheap kiddy videos (It used to be NCircle released Mario and Sonic cartoons). Ugly CGI mockbusters or originals that no one really gives a crap about. That seems to be the best Oogiloves gets as an audience.

    I think this might get some life on DVD. I just don't think the life they want it to have. It seems like once it hits the bargain bin, then grannies will start buying it for toddlers, and I'm sure some internet critic will take on the movie and turn everything about it into a meme. And it might get ironic love, though it still doesn't look so bad it's good but rather so bad it's terrible.

    Still... the endless weeks of it hitting that bargain bin and getting a memetic mutation is going to be a killer of a wait.
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