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Any word on a seperate Complete Season 4 release

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by TopperFraggle, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. Fluffets

    Fluffets New Member

    Wait which henson show is everyone talking about? The Muppet Show or Fraggle Rock? Or something else?:confused:
  2. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    HIT distributed Henson-owned content up until April, when their agreement expired. Muppets and Sesame are not included.
  3. Davina

    Davina Member

    to be specific... this whole thread is about fraggle rock


    hit has sadly shown themselves to be disappointing yet again.. it will certainly have to be something spectactular for me to really wnat to deal with them again
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I hate to be that guy, but in all honesty.... why must you all act like Hit is the worst company out there ever, and this is the worst way anything has ever been handled?

    Sure, I don't like the fact they didn't release season 4 seperately when all they had to do was package disks that were printed to begin with (maybe slap a new label on them). And yes, I dislike the fact Kermit was edited out of the 2 Christmas videos as well, but that was just as much Disney's fault as it was Hit's.

    Fact of the matter is, if it wasn't for them, Henson would probably never have released FR on DVD at all... or if anything some shoddy single disks with 3 episodes, no features, probably not remastered, and priced ridiculously high at 15 bucks each... and that would have been it. Sure, we started with some test the waters 3 episodes, 4th unlockable episode disks with some fun features (including episodes of the animated series)... but we got season sets after we asked nicely. And look at all the details and bonuses we got from them. Not only a bunch of special features on the disk, but we got those great reproduction booklets as well. Do you think any other company would have had that vision? We'd be lucky to have seen a single extra disk per volume with crummy computer games on it.

    And even though they made the stupid decision to release S4 in the complete set... hey! At least we got a complete set and the series was finished off. I'm staring right at my The Tick vs the Incomplete seasons 1 and 2 only, and my Darkwing Duck "about half the series in 2 sets" collection. And let's not forget the Rocky and Bullwinkle Season 3 box set with a preview of Season 4 that never got released ever. If anything, the lack of S4 was probably the fault of Lionsgate, the company that released ALF in Syndication only cuts, and TMNT episodes off of terrible source tapes that look like you bought an unlicensed set.

    And let's not forget, while it was incomplete, we all this Fraggle Rock merchandising. Sesame Street has always been around, The Muppet Show characters always resurface as something every so often... but we're talking about a show that ended about 20 years ago, with not so much as a T-shirt until Hit! took the reigns. I think it's crazy we're automatically thinking that Brandsolutions or whatever new company they have will do better. I've seen this sort of thing happen before, moving to another licensing company.... and a lot of the times, you won't even see a shirt or baseball cap, and they're thrown into the locker never to be seen again. Do you really think a Fraggle Rock movie wouldn't have been possible if Hit didn't bring back the interest in the property?
  5. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Active Member

    I totally agree with you on that 100% DrTooth. If it wasn't for Hit entertainment, we wouldn't even have Fraggle DVDs.

    Being upset over not over not getting the fourth season by itself is totally understandable. But now at least we're able to get the whole series or just the first three seasons. Considering it's not on the air anymore people should be totally thankful for that really.

    Sure it's lame that Kermit was edited out of those specials, but that's really Disney to blame and heck what are you going to do, Kermit is now owned by Disney and if they don't want their character on these specials anymore, well that's the bottom line.

    But there isn't anyway Henson would even consider a Fraggle movie, if it wasn't for Hit. I'm with you on that DrTooth, man, why are people hating on Hit so much? There are tons of shows that don't have a finished up series or even worse not even released. We don't have the whole Muppet show yet. And the bonus features Hit gave was top notch. As DrTooth mention Darkwing Duck which I own the DVDs as well, it's only like have finished, no bonus material, and the picture really wasn't too great. Hit did all that with the Fraggle dvds, so why be so upset with Hit?
  6. Fluffets

    Fluffets New Member


    Actually I've seen at least 2 channels that do show it. One is a sky+ channel called boomerang and the other is pop j.r or something, which I've seen fraggle rock on. Come to think of it I might check when it's on next!:)
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    A) is it really so hard to get Jim Cummings up there to talk about performing Darkwing Duck? I mean, he is their voices of Pooh and Tigger. They coulda just payed him to say a couple things during breaks.

    and B) It's not so much the lack of bonus features as the fact they don't want the commitment of releasing the rest of any of those series... not even 11 episodes to go Talespin and Rescue Rangers. The same crap they apparently pulled with Gargoyles that got everyone upset.

    And then I take a look at what Warner Bros did with the Smurfs. We had these nice 20 dollar half season sets for the first season. And then, to help people out during the tough economy, they release season 2 as 14 dollar 4 episode DVD's in no production order.

    Again, it's stupid that they couldn't just release both S4 and the complete series at the same time, but it sure beats only releasing a small portion of the series, leaving us to fill in the blanks with illegal bootlegs or poor quality Youtube videos.
  8. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    i was gunna pop in and say HIT! deal with Henson was ONLY for 5 years anyways..


    :busy:
  9. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    Henson is indeed looking for a big distributor for their properties, Fraggle being most prominent.

    http://forum.muppetcentral.com/showthread.php?p=751302

    If there's something you're interested in, such as Season 4, send them a Tweet. It's a really great way to speak to them directly and they encourage comments from fans regarding what they'd like to see. And it may be especially appropriate now, since they're actively seeking a distributor and may be able to better prioritize themselves if they know what people want.

    http://www.twitter.com/hensoncompany
  10. zakima2

    zakima2 New Member

    as for me I opted to get season 4 from australia, and the complete animated series. I have a region free player so I am not really missing anything, however since the box set is so low in price I believe I will purchase that tonight for myself. nite everyone.
  11. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    But many of us don't get those channels so it is almost the same as it not being on at all:sympathy:
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really hope so, myself. Too many licensees got lost in the shuffle when a new distributor/ company took over handling the likeness. Let's not forget the absolute crazy fiasco that Transformers had when Rhino collapsed. Sony bought up the rights, and did nothing with them (other than limitedly releasing the movie when the live action TF movie came out)... and years later someone thought... "Hey, don't we have a small company that has been releasing Saturday Morning cartoons recently?" Or like when said company couldn't make the profits they wanted with Inspector Gadget, and Fox bought the rights... now Shout promised that Fox would continue right where they left off, but all we got was a crummy 15 dollar 3 episode disk that quickly got pulled.

    I'm glad to hear that they're seeking something for the Fraggles quick, and they probably will give us that season 4... but I am still a bit skeptical.
  13. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    I'm a bit skeptical too, since home video wasn't mentioned in the press release as something Henson is pursuing.

    All the more reason to Tweet them and tell them you want it.
  14. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    ok gang :) lol since im awaaaaay to lazy to read (its been a looong hard sorta bad day at work) let me get this stright....Henson wants to start up there OWN home video line with out teaming with anyone like HIT! or SONY or Disney like thay did under the "Jim Henson Video" line back in the early 90s?
  15. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    It looks like Fox has had a major change in plans. In what seems to be an attempt to satisfy the loyal consumers who purchased the first four seasons individually, they have pushed back the release date of their complete series box and have a new Amazon entry for a stand-alone Season 5 (where cries of the victorious can be found). I imagine Seasons 6 and 7 will follow.

    http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mary-Tyler-Moore-Season-5/11900

    It's a real shame HIT didn't do the same while they still held the Henson contract, especially since there was only one Fraggle season left. I'm sure the calendar could have accommodated a similar schedule change, if they so desired.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We can rationalize it and debate it and all that, but the fact remains... someone dropped the ball a while ago, and when they could have used the very same disks to put in a separate S4, they didn't for no apparent reason.

    But I am seeing more "Complete series" having new season sets retroactively added.... Shout! is releasing a Complete first season Transformers (G1), and a complete series of TF.... BUT they are also planning to release the others separately. Warner Bros released season one of Get Smart, the complete series, and then season 2 (though I don't know what plans they have beyond that).

    All I'm saying is they coulda done that, didn't, and now we have to wait for the new distributor to do so.
  17. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    I mostly wanted to follow up on the news about MTM. Frankly, I’m happy to know HIT’s boneheaded decision did not create a new trend within the industry, especially in an era of declining DVD sales (recession aside).

    HBO, not Warner, is releasing season sets of Get Smart, with the third season coming next week. However, these are only arriving now due to the expiration of Timelife’s year-long licensing exclusive on the property, in which they released one of the best complete series collections yet. Timelife has done similarly superb releases for both The Man from U.N.C.L.E. and The Real Ghostbusters. All three series are, or will be, available in individual season sets as well.

    Those are the kinds of trends that create positive remarks instead of criticisms.
  18. plucky

    plucky New Member

    I for one am waiting for a separate S4, no matter where it comes from. Not to say I would acquire episodes in some other fashion, but I DID have every single episode of Fraggle Rock, and just started watching them, mostly for the first time, when the Season DVDs started coming out. So I scrapped the copies I had gotten and started buying the seasons! But I won't re-buy everything I already bought to get S4. Just showing that there are people who spend money on things when you do them right, and treat the customer right, and when you don't? They find 'alternate means'.

    I've actually held off on watching any S4 episodes at all, I'll wait patiently for a good DVD release! Now I just have to wait for my S4 Muppet Show DVDs to come out too! Not until next year? Oh well, I can wait :)
  19. Traveling Matt

    Traveling Matt New Member

    And Season 4 is announced for September 8th.
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Darn it. I popped into this thread and read the last post thinking it was about TMS season 4. Let's keep it TMS specific here. :sympathy:

    Move the other updates for Get Smart etc to the General Discussion section. :wisdom:


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