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Disney Enlists Segel & Stoller for new Muppets movie

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GelflingWaldo, Mar 13, 2008.

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  1. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    It wasn't the traditional format that made MWOO not work to me, it was the fact that the story felt rushed, halfbaked and badly written (just to me, as a writer). As a muppet fan even I did not like it for this reason:o . I wanted to, I really did...
    On the other hand I loved Muppets in Space for some un-goshly reason. I have no idea why...
  2. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    Jason Segel is an AMAZINGLY talented actor, and from what I can see "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" is gonna be really great. This is incredibly exciting to me.
  3. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    Muppets Wiz of Oz was crap we all know that - but, do you realize how many years ago that was? I mean, Ashanti has fallen into obscurity and Disney has gone on to produce some of the most amazing works. Can I safely say that Ratatouille should have been in the best film category for the Oscars.

    Disney is on the rise.... Trust & believe!
  4. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Don't worry, I trust in Disney itself :). I mean I grew up loving The Muppets at Walt Disney World, and they must have had a big hand in the making of that :D. (Good golly Disney, please put that on DVD...please? Pleeeese?:cry: )
  5. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Well-Known Member

    I am VERY excited by this news--I really like the Apatow projects that Segel has been involved with, and I'm encouraged that Stoller was involved with Undeclared as well. I think this is exactly what the Muppets need--an infusion of current cutting edge comedic talent, presumably talent that loves the Muppets.

    I also think that since both of these people have been involved with highly improvisatory comedy, it can only bode well for the Muppets. Anything that encourages the Muppeteers to let loose and improvise will at least give us great outtakes, and at best give us the kind of crackling in-character wit and energy that the Muppets should have.

  6. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Like most of you, I'm full of hope and anxiety, but unlike some of you, I'm not full of sarcasm and snottiness. (You know who you are.) I think we need to stop kicking a gift horse in the mouth. I had a few of points that seemed pertinent:

    1. Brian Henson has his own gig now--full of humping dog puppets and bathroom humor. That's what he wants to do with his legacy and he ought to be left to it. If he were the one who was going to bring the Muppets back in all their glory, he'd have done it by now. I think we should wish him well and MOVE ON.

    2. It takes a rare actor who can write, direct AND act. (Yes, yes--I know they all think they can do all of that, but you know and we see that it's not true.) To expect our beloved muppeteers to have the same level of skill in all areas is probably not realistic or fair. Someone who is interested in the muppets--interested enough to pitch something TO Disney--AND who has a history with the muppet organization professionally wants to write a script. He's written scripts in the past. Your cup of tea or not, they have sold. I'm going to try to clamp down on my anxiety and be excited and hopeful.

    3. Speculation that Disney will dump the old characters and replace them with all new ones doesn't seem to be a well-thought-out criticism. The new Disney XD site is not overrun with unfamiliar muppets--and I was frankly shocked by the familiar feel of some of the skits. The goofiness, the camaradie, the poignancy--all were things I RECOGNIZED. If they're just leading us on, they haven't given us cause to suspect them of it YET. Let's not be pre-emptive in our break-up.

    4. I think it behooves us to remember that Disney will be watching us--the ones who ALREADY love the muppets. If we rant and rail and kick and scream we may prove to be more trouble than we are worth, and we as a fan base might get left in the dust while the PTB at Disney search for a BRAND NEW audience. I'm not saying turn your brains off--I might be saying to turn your hostility off until they've actually fired the first shot.

    Folks--this is good news. I know you're nervous--I'm scared to death. But this is, literally, life and death for some people that are dear to all of us. I WANT to see Kermit up on the screen again--and not just pushing a shopping cart. I can't wait to see Ms. Piggy larger than life. (Watch it!) If Gonzo's going to tap dance in tapioca, I want it to be on a screen large enough to see his feet! Let's not lose our hope--let's take a page from Kermit's book and all pull together.
  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I agree on both fronts!

    I remember in 1999/2000/2001/2002 people thinking I was weird for pushing the idea of "out there" directors possibly what the Muppets needed, like Spike Jonze, or a number of indie directors.

    For almost a decade on muppet central myself and many others have long been dreaming for the glorious return of the Muppets...it didnt quite come in 1999, or 2002...I believe in the next few years we could finally get that.

    Muppets.com for instance, is endlessly wonderful content...and yeah, it does show Disney may *finally* be getting on the ball

    With the HA! Brand, Fraggle Rock renewal, etc there is much on the horizon to celebrate.
  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Ya kidding? MWOZ sounded like a horrific idea to myself and many Muppet fans from the get go. Many of us knew it'd blow, and it exceded our expectations of crummyness.

    Very Muppet Movie I felt was pretty darn good, almost close to an actual Muppet film in some ways.

    But I think your right with Stoller/Segal. I wish they could make it a PG film, instead of G. They may just be the team to really make people realize the Muppets arent some nostalgic trip, but hip and relevent for today.

    I agree, I absolutely loathe Christmas Carol/Treasure Island/Muppet Oz. There should never again be the Muppets having to star in some classic retelling
  9. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    Amens sista! I'm all with you on this one. Too many folks grabbing the old brass ring that has since rusted and fallen apart...

  10. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I never said they would be replaced, I just meant I hope they are kept true to character :). I've seen many older characters turned into things they are not to be 'hip'. I hope the soul of the new site stays in the movie...

    Anyway, just because I am nervous doesn't mean I don't want to see a new film to...I'm not kicking and screaming, or looking anything in the mouth, just very nervous...I mean can't we state our worries here without being afraid Disney will look here and say 'no muppets for you'? :( I'm not one of those crazy fans that would start writing email rants to them or anything.
    I like most of the new things on the site to :)
  11. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    pft Disney is going to do what Disney wants to do reguardless of what some angry fans say online, and you know those people will be put in there place.
    Disney should take all of this and go wow these people are hard core, make a great film and then give them something to chew on while having it tatse good mind you :)
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    ha ha your so right in that
  13. Craig Crane

    Craig Crane Active Member

    I hope I fall into that category, because you need to be able to see both sides to every story or opinion. It would take a miracle on Disneys part to come up with something new, fresh, original AND contemporary.

    I am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, because I dont take any pleasure in seeing the Muppets fail. Im as passionate as the next fan. Always have, always will be.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's why I was against Muppet Oz from the start. Only reason why the other two literary films worked was because of Jerry's script work. Personally, I like MCC as a christmas movie, but as a Muppet film, I find it dull. MTI was much better, though I would have cast a different, less effeminant Jim Hawkins. Plus, Miss Piggy seemed contractually pasted in at the end.

    But Oz failed on the literary level, and the fact they didn't know who they wanted to watch it, and played to too many other groups, Tweens and frat boys. Plus, with the literary stories, the Muppets played second (in MCC's case, Third) to human actors. At least Treasure Island had a wackiness to it.

    That's why, ironically, I think VMX and MFS are much better films. They had conceptual problems, no question, but the muppets actually Starred in it. VMX was about Kermit, MFS was about Gonzo. MCC was about Michael Cain, and MTI was about whoever played Jim Hawkins with Rizzo and Gonzo as comedic sidekicks (sort of like Philo and Gunge to Marjory the Trash Heap).

    I'd go for PG as well, since that seems like the biggest draw. It's a family movie, yes, but it's not as cloyingly sweet as mainstream people think G is. That's how 90% of animated films are marketed, even when they deserve a G rating. I was surprised to see Ratatoullie was rated G.

    As long as we have original muppet music in this one, and it's composed by someone good. MFS had a funk track. Much as I like Funk, it just didin't work without anyone singing. VMX's only song was okay, but Oz only had one good song in the whole bunch - The Witch is in the House.
  15. TotallySpiesFan

    TotallySpiesFan Well-Known Member

    I hope this film needs to move forward to production.
  16. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    I think I'll wait and see where this little venture of writing goes to. They could write a muppet movie and the Disney execs might not like it. Then they'll go to the drawing board again.

    Or they could create a muppet movie that turns out to be a stinker.
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Yes, and also TMNT and The Simpsons Movie.
  18. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Well-Known Member

    Lol, I can't follow you at all, I'm so sorry. But in my post when I listed the years, I thought it was easy to see that I was only listing theatrical movies (I could have sworn I put the word theatrical in there but I must have forgotten by mistake). For one, there are too many tv movies and specials that don't fit into the pattern. Secondly, according to the article that Cory posted, this movie is supposed to be theatrical! And by the time this one comes out, it will have been 11 years since a theatrical release! And I am SO GLAD because no matter how awesome tv specials are, it won't be nearly as epic as a theatrically released muppet movie.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, that's the problem. DTVs and telefilms should count on some level, since they are actually doing much better than actual films. But theatrically speaking it's been quite some time. The longest since after Jim's Passing. I'm not getting my hopes up about a theatrical release, but hey... if they can keep making sequals to reamkes of Japanese horror films, and talking dog movie after talking dog movie, anything is possible.
  20. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Well-Known Member

    A miracle? Really? Disney may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they are SOARING right now. High School Musical, Hannah Montana--I don't like these at ALL but they are definitely all the rage today. Yes, we've seen High School Musical before (Grease and the like), but the current generation hadn't and they have embraced it more than anything else in the past few years. Enchanted was embraced by critics and fans and people have already mentioned the love Ratatouille gets (and deserves). Disney's definitely not creatively washed-up in the slightest.

    Yes, they didn't know what to do with the Muppets when they got them, we've all noted that. But keep in mind that it was Michael Eisner who wanted the Muppets, not Bob Iger, and if Eisner had a plan, he certainly didn't seem to leave it behind when he left. Disney didn't know what to do with the Muppets--they weren't 2-D cardboard cutouts of characters like the Mickey gang (no offense but they are pretty shallow characters), they weren't readily marketable Princesses... They're unique. They had no clue what to do, as we've seen.

    It seems like it's like what happens when you first become a parent. Most people don't know EXACTLY how to be a good parent from the beginning. They make mistakes. They learn. Disney trotted right out with MWoO thinking "oh this is what we can do with them" and learned very quickly that it was the wrong choice. So they seem to be taking their time with them, developing what might work. They've obviously been investigating this, even though we really haven't seen anything come from them publically, there have been too many accounts of different happenings for Disney to have been completely sitting on the Muppets for all these years.

    Also, we have to accept that the Muppets are not Disney's top priority, which is very sad, but we kinda knew that getting into it (not that any of us had a choice in the matter). They're never going to be Disney's top priority. But that doesn't mean that they won't care to make quality work at all.

    Anyway... I don't think we need a miracle. I just think we need faith.

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