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Disney Enlists Segel & Stoller for new Muppets movie

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GelflingWaldo, Mar 13, 2008.

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  1. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member


    Lol, I can't follow you at all, I'm so sorry. But in my post when I listed the years, I thought it was easy to see that I was only listing theatrical movies (I could have sworn I put the word theatrical in there but I must have forgotten by mistake). For one, there are too many tv movies and specials that don't fit into the pattern. Secondly, according to the article that Cory posted, this movie is supposed to be theatrical! And by the time this one comes out, it will have been 11 years since a theatrical release! And I am SO GLAD because no matter how awesome tv specials are, it won't be nearly as epic as a theatrically released muppet movie.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, that's the problem. DTVs and telefilms should count on some level, since they are actually doing much better than actual films. But theatrically speaking it's been quite some time. The longest since after Jim's Passing. I'm not getting my hopes up about a theatrical release, but hey... if they can keep making sequals to reamkes of Japanese horror films, and talking dog movie after talking dog movie, anything is possible.
  3. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Member

    A miracle? Really? Disney may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they are SOARING right now. High School Musical, Hannah Montana--I don't like these at ALL but they are definitely all the rage today. Yes, we've seen High School Musical before (Grease and the like), but the current generation hadn't and they have embraced it more than anything else in the past few years. Enchanted was embraced by critics and fans and people have already mentioned the love Ratatouille gets (and deserves). Disney's definitely not creatively washed-up in the slightest.

    Yes, they didn't know what to do with the Muppets when they got them, we've all noted that. But keep in mind that it was Michael Eisner who wanted the Muppets, not Bob Iger, and if Eisner had a plan, he certainly didn't seem to leave it behind when he left. Disney didn't know what to do with the Muppets--they weren't 2-D cardboard cutouts of characters like the Mickey gang (no offense but they are pretty shallow characters), they weren't readily marketable Princesses... They're unique. They had no clue what to do, as we've seen.

    It seems like it's like what happens when you first become a parent. Most people don't know EXACTLY how to be a good parent from the beginning. They make mistakes. They learn. Disney trotted right out with MWoO thinking "oh this is what we can do with them" and learned very quickly that it was the wrong choice. So they seem to be taking their time with them, developing what might work. They've obviously been investigating this, even though we really haven't seen anything come from them publically, there have been too many accounts of different happenings for Disney to have been completely sitting on the Muppets for all these years.

    Also, we have to accept that the Muppets are not Disney's top priority, which is very sad, but we kinda knew that getting into it (not that any of us had a choice in the matter). They're never going to be Disney's top priority. But that doesn't mean that they won't care to make quality work at all.

    Anyway... I don't think we need a miracle. I just think we need faith.
  4. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Member

    Disney is pretty much at the top of their game. Previously I would pass on their features - not these days as they are all interesting and so well done. Wall-E looks wonderful.

    Also, Disney has over 30 features in production for 3-D... Wouldn't it be cool if we got Muppets in 3D? Just a thought.
  5. FennShysa

    FennShysa New Member

    Pixar may be Disney now, but Disney is *not* Pixar - especially in the case of Ratatouille, which was originally intended to be Pixar's first film produced outside the original Disney deal, before the whole bought/takeover thing happened...
  6. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I agree, most of the new films are mostly Pixar made, even if Disney took them over (I love Disney, but they still are not the same thing IMHO).
  7. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Member

    You're all right it is Pixar but isn't the merge another example of great decision making by Disney?

    If you read Variety you will see that Disney is going through some sort of renaissance lately. Lots of great decisions. I just hope the Muppets idea is a part of that positive wave.
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I see that too. There's less of an iron fist and more flexibility and creative freedom.
  9. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    This is what it comes down to. Their franchises thrive, they are indeed at the top of their game. This is going to be an incredible project.
  10. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    The voice of reason speaks. Good for you, this comment couldnt be more accurate imo. I doubt wed be seeing this kind of muppet project from the Henson company if they were still in charge.

    This is beyond good news. I dont think theres much to be scared about... sound to me like Disneys willing to invest, its surely a well written script if it came out of nowhere from the talented parties involved.... Cant wait.
  11. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Member

    What Disney can do is create, invest in and maintain high profile franchises. If they could generate even half the popularity for the new Muppet feature that HSM, Hanna Montana or Pirates has, then were all going to be pretty happy in a few years.
  12. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Mind if I take a moment to comment?

    Now, I haven't read the whole thread because, frankly, the whining really isn't doing anything for my constitution...but I have done some research on the Writer and Director of this potential next movie...and what I see is far far from High School Muppets, Janice and Stitch or any other sucky "I hate Muppets and can't even respect Disney" title you anti-Disney people can come up with.

    Jason Segel has acted in many movies, including Knocked Up, and wrote Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Everything that I have seen of him is anathama to the "Oooh, I am a fluffy Disney thing" feel. His movies are always ground-based, and realistic -- joining the ranks of 40 Year Old Virgin, Juno, and Super Bad.

    He seems to act in movies that involve him being a down-to-earth realistic guy (His character of Sam in Alias was one of the first "Real-life-ish" people I'd seen on the show, and his appearence blew me away as one of the most memorable guests even though he was only there for one episode.)

    The director wrote Fun With Dick and Jane, as well as an episode of Strangers With Candy, along with writing part of the soundtrack for Blades of Glory. (Segel also performed in soundtracks)

    From what I have seen, we will get a movie that has a strong "Buddy-friendship" element...Fozzie and Kermit? Gonzo and Fozzie?...a HUGELY realistic take on the Muppts and Muppetdom. Pop-culture references that FIT (like the "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" poster in Knocked Up, rather than the "Girls Gone Wild" Mwoo reference.) We should expect original songs, even if they are more like Going to Go Back There, or Everyone Matters...rather than Cabin Fever. (There are great, sentemental, realistic songs in Knocked Up and Juno.)

    So the last thing we need to worry about is Disney Disneyfying the thing, if anything be more concerned that there will be more nipple references and SEX jokes.
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Your so right in what your saying beau! Has anyone seen the move Heavyweights? This was remeased by Disney and was wrote and dericted by Steve Brill. Steve is one of Adam Sandlers friends and has helped write and derect some of his movies. When he did Heavywhights they had to edit the movie becuse there was a lot of bad language. It was going to be a touchstone movie,and be rated PG-13, but Disney did some last second editing and made it PG.
    I said all that to say this, and i think it has been said before. The writeter and Director have both done some great rated R and PG13 movies, and i think that the next Muppet movie should at least be rated PG13. Why not to make the Muppets like Crank Yankers, but to give them a feel that they are not just for kids. I think the two that are working on the film can do that and still stay true to who the Muppets really are.
  14. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    First of all...Greg, as always, the news you bring is fantastic! My first reaction was, "Who ARE they?" my second was, "Oh wow, they are BIG names right now." My third, "Oh...interesting." And my fourth, which prompted this mahussive post, was "Why must muppet fans have their heads so far up their own...um...Puppet holes?...that they can't see the light at the end of the tunnel?"

    I agree, Frogboy! It was a smart move, testing the waters, and the waters reacted brilliantly! They seem to be investing a lot of time and money into the site, and the Muppets, and the fact this pitch came from an outside source and met their prerequisits for Muppetness...seems totally exciting to me.

    Yes it is! And I'm not even looking at it with my eyes shut.

    I don't think any of us knew him by name...but from what I know of his list (surprisingly, he even cameoed in Alias!) he is a completly down to earth guy.

    Yes, I checked it right away...and I am only encouraged. The writer acted in Knocked Up, one of the most successfull run-away blockbusters of the year which outdid Shrek 3 in the cinema. Let's see the next Muppet movie do that, or any Muppet movie, before casting aspersions.

    True dat. There have been way too many cancelled Muppet productions. There's nothing to say that this will be...I haven't seen the Muppet Boiling pot bubbling so hard since the days of VMC and MFS! Besides, none of us thought that MWOO was real...

    In my experience, writers and actors gain a tone (the same way that writers gain a voice) and everything I've seen from this team is edgy and, more importantly, reality based. The next Muppet film, in which the Muppets will undoubtedly be playing themselves, will (at this rate) be reality based and that can only be a good thing.

    Sarah! How nice to see you here! Love as always to vous!

    Oh because the Simpsons is suuuch a failed project...and sooo unsuccessfull...success of that type would be sooo bad for the Muppets...I am sooo being sarcastic right now...

    Exactly! *hugs Hippo* The fact that Disney has paused so many projects and waited for such a long time only tells us that if they run with something they really do mean it.

    Squee! I officially love you right now! *hugs for enthusiasm!*

    Love you too Meepy! What is it with Beakerfan's being enthusiastic! Yay!

    Meep!

    Something, no matter how small, can be the start of something huge.

    Their styles, it has to be admitted, tend to lean towards the cruder sensabilities...or do they? Is it that they enjoy making Sex jokes or that they see life as it really is? From what I see of them...They see life in a true way, and if they can see the Muppets in a true light...this could be wonderful.

    No one is asking you to let go of that! Hold on as Gonzo would to an escaping pair of balooons...or as Pepe would to the same baloons.

    Why would you say that? Why? Why? (Although Pepe's New Groove sounds amazing!)

    *ahem*

    Where in any of Segel of Stoller's work have you seen anything that matches up to Disney purity or magic? Nowhere...Take enough of the gritty Segel realism and match it against Disney's pink magic and I think we have the workings of something great.

    People, please take the time to get off your anti-disney hobby horses...

    It's good to be nervious! No one wants to jump in eyes wide shut...but every single thing that I have seen this year in relation to Disney and Muppets, from appearences, to mugs, to merch, to website, has given me nothing but hope.

    Remember that POC3 started with multiple hangings of innocent people, including a child...Disney is not all light and magic.

    Mwoooha! I'm with you!

    Good point! Remember that Segel has been involved with some of the best seling movies of last year! It can be great things, great.

    I LOVE this! His Sarah! Thanks for optermism!

    I've never seen it, but I saw Jason in Alias and HE was the sweetest character to appear in that...and stayed in my mind ever since!


    Check. Check. Check!

    *points to various coments about Brian and humping dogs*

    Couldn't have phrased it better.

    I agree, in part. I would love to see Jim Lewis heavily involved.

    But remember, these guys know how to write movies.

    For the record, it was Aint it Cool who broke the news of Mwoo...and that turned out to be a reality! I love their article. It encourages me!

    *tick*

    Ouch! They are seriosuly experienced, and understand the Nerdy Tweenage market (that to which Muppets are aimed, and most of us fit into) better than anyone!

    Um...I think you'll find they do.

    You're falling into the mould of assuming that Disney does everything the same...They don't.

    Pirates is a great example of how they went ahead and killed people, got drunk, and went suggestive about sex and threesomes and didn't sell any pink Happy meals or create characters for the heck of it.

    Yeah...Because that's what Sarah Marshall and Knocked Up are...HighSchoolMsicalEsque...

    Wait, no, I think that's not right...I think they were gritty, groundbreaking comedies about real people...

    Love it! True true true!

    I agree! I am over the moon with excitment!

    I understood this list as theatrical movies, my love. :p

    Neither do I!

    And don't apologize...sometimes a rant is needed!

    Why, yes you are!

    *points at that* A good post! Read it.

    While I don't expect any movie to reach the heights of MTI...I can see this movie going far.

    Of course they won't! Old is old.

    Interesting thought...

    Hi Kyle. Missed ya!


    Keep the faith, people!

    But becoming realistic and down to Earth is what Muppets Take Manhatten's direction style is all about. In fact, Stoller's direction reminds me of Franks in Death at a Funeral.

    I'm with you there.


    And yet...we all want the same thing.

    Go Foz!

    I know exactly what you are saying. And I think Muppets have always been for the early maturity audience. And that this movie could involve a lot of Fozzie growing up.

    That's all I have time for right now, but I think...we need to not judge the movie until it's made, never ever throw every Disney project under one name as if they were all the same, and have some faith that Knocked Up isn't about sex, its about seeing life through the perspective of real people.
  15. MJTaylor

    MJTaylor Member

    I hardly know what to say here. I do hope this project does come off as there have been cancellations before.
    Also, as MrsPepper said, it's been 11 years since Muppets From Space was released, and I thought that film was ordinary myself. That's only my opinion, of course. Unlike some people, I loved Muppet Treasure Island. Even Billy Connelly was good in it.
  16. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Member

    HAHAHAHAHAHHA OMG Beau, that was the longest, most awesome-est response to an entire thread in one post that I've ever read. Your enthusiasm is JUMPING off the screen! Cheers to that! :)

    Btw, WHO was Jason Segel in Alias? Because I love me my Alias but definitely don't remember him popping up... What season?
  17. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Remember when she went to a club and met a guy named Sam who worked there, and there was an instant connection. And then he helped her get out of the club, loosing his job. And they were chassed by an airplane with a gun on it? Not sure which season. 3 or 4.
  18. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    Not everyone has the same idea about what makes a good movie :p. I watch movies to get away from the 99% of stories that live for the next sex joke just because 'that is what sells' and 'it's everywhere, live with it'. I hope they will be above that as the writers of the muppets :).
    I really don't mind if most people still think the muppets are just for kids because I know that that is not the truth. IMHO the muppets will always get more new fans in years to come, even without a PG-13 rating. The magic is always there for people willing to see beyond what most people think (that the muppets are mainly for five year olds).
    I have faith, I am just keeping my own brand of it :).

    I know many people don't hold my pov and it is old and dusty to most, but I would love to see what they could do with a new muppet fantasy movie that was not based on a book...
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I will try to be optimistic, but also cautious. Stay tuned. ;)

    As far as "sex jokes," I'll just say there's a difference between adult humor and immature humor.
  20. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    My dear, my dear...Don't think that I was intimating that your views are old and dusty...I want the Muppets to stay family oriented as much as the next guy. What I was saying is that films like Knocked Up, Juno, and Sarah Marshall are that they appear to only be seeking sex jokes...but really they are just being honest.

    It's the way that people of that age catagory talk these days.

    Which doesn't mean that the Muppets will have sex jokes, it means that if they can be honest to the early-mature audience, they can be totally honest towards the Muppet audience.


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