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Disney Enlists Segel & Stoller for new Muppets movie

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GelflingWaldo, Mar 13, 2008.

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  1. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Well-Known Member

    Just for the record, I didnt take it like that. I saw your humour, I was just trying to make a point.
  2. The 11th UrRu

    The 11th UrRu Well-Known Member

    Those two are amongst the most significant reasons we should be optomistic. Their finding success through all kinds of different franchises. Its not like the muppet movie will be like either of these... these guys are successful movie people, their going to put together something dynamite, their new flick is getting amazing reviews...

    I havent seen either HM or HSM to be honest, but I dont really have to, think about the bottom line surrounding the overall popularity of both... millions of people happy. Where have we heard that before...
  3. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That's an interesting point. We want TV shows and movies to be popular and accepted by a mass audiences, obviously. We want them to make people happy. But then again, there are a lot of TV shows and movies that are hugely popular, but don't necessarily deserve to be so (not referring to anything in particular here, just saying). So popularity doesn't always equal quality.

    ::shrugs:: No big deal, just obviously art is a very subjective thing. ;)
  4. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    I couldn't agree more Heralde. I personally would rather sit at home and watch TCM than go see the popular muck that is put out these days. You have to understand that there is a bottom line at work - it's about ticket sales ultimately. And there's an awful lot of crap that gets made and is a big hit - go figure. On the flipside there is some good stuff too. It's the yin and yang of it I suppose.

    I have faith in this project because the talent they have brought in is somewhat interesting at the moment. Their comedy is working and they have a dream. All good things in my book. I do not think Brian Henson would have been a good choice (shower me with boos!)

    Disney needs someone who is cooking the meat and letting us hear it sizzle! They got it!
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yeah I mean thankfully there has always been some good stuff that has also been popular at one point. And even if it loses the popularity at times, that can't take away the quality. ;)

    To be fair I'll have to research these guys more because I really don't know enough to comment.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I would agree with that if both were quality programs. They aren't. They are cheap, cliched pablum, and nothing more. And for every millions it makes happy, it makes 2 million very unhappy. Very unhappy indeed.

    We're talking about Disney, a company that for years had no problem appealing to virtually every audience out there. The Families, the kids, the animation fans, and the general rest of the audience. HSM and HM appeal to girls and their mothers, and mybe their little brothers who have a crush on her. But make no mistake. How many times have you heard an Arthur Miller refference in HM? I miss quality shows like Animaniacs, Darkwing Duck, etc. Even Jimmy Neutron made you think.

    That's what I like about the Muppets. Cross generational and cross target groups. Even Disney's movies did that. Why are Lion King, Aladdin, and Beauty and the Beast considered modern classics, as well as Timeless (dispite some of Robin's Genie impersonations)? They had appeal on multiple levels. HSM and HM are fads, dated before they were dated, and instantly forgettible.

    That said, I think Disney is the ONLY entertainment company that has it together. Time Warner keeps losing money, doesn't know why and tries at blunderous cash grabs like Loonatics Unleashed. This caused them to (while getting higher network tv ratings) to sell their saturday morning block, and give up TV animation for fan service DC DTV's. Sony is losing cash left and right, and trying to blame everyone but themselves for why no one's buying CD's. Imagine if they bought the muppets. They'd've cracked down on any kind of music trading or youtube posting. Half of us would probably be indited. And yet, you ask them for more Real Ghostbuster cartoon DVD's, adn they'll say..."Duhh... it's a kid's show! No way!"
  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh gosh, I could watch VMX and MFS any day than I could any "classic retelling" the Muppets have done. It's hard for me to watch a Muppet film where they arent playing their zany selves. Oz to me is the absolute worst thing I've ever seen the Muppets involved with.

    Also yeah a PG rating makes sense. When it was released, VMX was PG. Heck a lot of family films are pg-13, so a PG rating makes sense. Anything less seems like it'd be pandering
  8. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yeah I think both parties need to prove themselves. The ball is in Disney's court here, but the Muppets pre-Disney projects weren't entirely working either. So both parties need to prove something.
  9. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well I was in Los Angeles and Hollywood this weekend, and theres
    Forgetting Sarah Marshall promotion all over and a big buzz about the film...so Stoller/Segal are kind of "it" guys right now...so this is definately positive news.

    Its not like they went with two people whose only credits included making Disney channel stuff.

    My iffy comment on the first page really was because I had never heard of these guys; and I was already in the frame of mind that it'd be a Brian/Bill team...tho hey, sometimes it takes fresh and new ways of approaching things.

    I mean if they can pull this off, this will erase a lot of Muppets as "kids fodder" stigma and really bring em back to the spotlight

    Given this will most likely dip into talent from the 40 year old virgin/knocked up/superbad crew, this will have a lot of crossover appeal and buzz amongst folks who'd otherwise laugh at the muppets(and not in the good way)

    AND YES, there is nothing quite as awe inspiring than seeing a Muppet movie on the big screen(I saw Muppets Take Manhattan, MTI and MFS in their original theatrical runs...Muppets on the big screen, its epic)
  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Not as a feature. Garfield to me sure doesnt work in 3d, and hes already a cartoon.

    Not as a feature. Garfield to me sure doesnt work in 3d, and hes already a cartoon.

    I dunno, I think it worked. Could you imagine if MFS was populated by 90's era "alt rock"? *shivers*

    But your right, the Muppets need to be seen as viable characters that are hip and current...not old nostalgia

    Yes it is. Given Stoller/Segal are apparently the hot new thing,
    you can bet theres a lot of agents/industry people shaking their heads thinking "why are they throwing away their career with this move?"

    People who think the Muppets return will be akin to Garfield/Alvin and the Chipmunks and every other braindead poorly conceptualized "revival" of old brands into modern movie going experiences will be surprised.

    I feel the Muppets need to be done with period films/classic retellings/etc

    Have the Muppets working for some Google like company or something modern, and bring in Jim Lewis

    Ack, I hope Jim Lewis will be involved in some capacity on this.
    Question is...is Stoller hardcore enough to be able to write in obscure Muppets as well(Jim Henson Hour characters routinely pop up in Muppet films) or to be able to bring in folks like Jim Lewis?
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I don't think the Muppets need to be seen as hip and current. They just need to find a story that works. That '70s Show channeled a retro feel, and was hugely popular. Plenty of recently successful movies have taken place in times past. I'm sure there were some who said it couldn't be done. ;)
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well Beaker why dont you hop on over to the ask Jim Lewis Thread and ask him about it?
  13. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    Of course the Muppets can be current. Jim Henson laid the foundations for eternal characters. All of those muppets contain the seeds to the past, present & future!

  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    They can be current but I don't think they always have to be to tell a good story that everyone loves and that sells well:o.
    IMHO what makes some of the newer movies not as good is the older ones is not because the muppets are dated but because the stories were not written well. This has nothing to do with 'older' music or 'older' themes not being cool, IMHO, and everything to do with basic plot writing :). The muppets can only work with what is written after all:insatiable: .
  15. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    The muppets have to be current to touch base with the ongoing movie audience. This whole idea of a classic muppet movie is ludicrous because that is not what they will do.

    It goes against the basic Hollywood fundementals - they have to draw in the crowds. OH well, i'm tired of bashing to death this horse. I live here and I listen to these execs all day long - Hollywood is about being in the now. If you don't believe me, wait and see.
  16. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    I'd really love it if they snatched up Paul Williams to write the music for this new movie *hint*hint*hint* Disney..
  17. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Well-Known Member

    YEAHHH Paul Williams! The best Muppet music is always Paul Williams---TMM, Emmet Otter, MCC... He just gets them.

    But I have to agree that I think the Muppets are definitely still current. The only thing that makes TMS/the movies feel dated is the guest stars. And sometimes Piggy's hair. Aside from a few jokes (I had no idea what the Hare Krishna jokes meant when I was a kid, for obvious reasons) the movies and the sketches on the show are timeless and just as accessible to people today as they were in 1975. Mahna Mahna? Java? Happy Feet? And as someone earlier said, the classic trilogy of Muppet movies are all riffs on very popular--and still relevent--genres: the buddy road movie (recent example: Harold and Kumar), the caper (Get Smart), and the underdog-succeeds-in-its-dream movie (Ratatouille).

    And this just jumped into my head, but if Paul Williams is a no-go, maybe they could get the Avenue Q guys to write the songs for the movie. They would probably work really well with Jason Segel/Nick Stoller and they still know how to right heartfelt numbers (but you know, although it's beautiful There's A Fine, Fine Line can't compare to I'm Going to Go Back There Someday in any way, shape or form).

    Just thoughts. Still excited!
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I just hope they don't get the jokers who wrote songs for OZ. They were forgettible. Glad I didn't buy the CD or recieve it as a gift.

    I'm sure that they can get someone really talented to write music. And there better be music. MFS had quite a few faults, and lack of original music was one of them. I give them credit for using older funk tracks, and not the mindless pop music of today, but it still wasn't a good mix.
  19. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    I miss the musical style songs, they really are a big part of the Muppet style IMHO :). I bet they can get a good song writer though...If anyone can , it is Disney :)
  20. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't worry too much about the quality or lack of music this time around... Disney and the muppets just won a grammy remember.

    This is a quote from a review on film.com of the new Forgetting Sarah Marshall movie which they said is one of the funniest movies this year.

    "Jason Segel is a talent to be reckoned with, a new emerging comedy voice who was both equally fantastic as the romantic/comic lead as he was as the film's screenwriter. Likewise, first-time director Nicholas Stoller proved that he made the right transition from his own writing career and displayed his talent for getting into a joke and getting out before it ever got old. The comedy is so fast and furious in this that not a single joke is left to linger, not a single moment feels wasted."

    C.R. Cargill

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