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Ghostbusters 3 finally on the way? You decide!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by frogboy4, May 20, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, there are also those who hate the cartoon series, which is unbelievable to me. The first half of the series was solid. ABC's meddling with the show later in the series is up to debate, and I really think other than the stupid name, the hate for Extreme Ghostbusters eludes me (if for no other reason, Slimer wasn't the talking, scene stealing mascot that took over the show and was much more like his movie appearance). That said, while I do enjoy GB 2, I find the animated series a better follow up. GB2 seems to have been made only because the cartoon popularized the characters, but they should have taken more cues from it. Though I really think the Mood Slime was a great concept.

    Yeah, but China really doesn't care much for doing that either. I find it hilarious that if a movie bombs in the West but makes a crapload overseas it gets a sequel (which saved Pacific Rim's butt), but if it's a hit here, and foreign markets don't get it or refuse to carry it it's considered a flop. Though, then it turns into a complicated mess either way. Though, full disclosure, Fury Road was amazing. Not that I wouldn't love to see another one, but you wonder if a sequel is that necessary. Fury Road was one of two long anticipated sequels of a movie franchise that didn't have one in decades that got good reception (Jurassic World being the second, Star Wars doesn't really count). So, I'd say that a sequel would be pressing their luck. Plus, that darn Pitch Perfect 2 cut a chunk of its Western ticket sales as well. But I have to say this. If a movie about a mad dictator fails or is banned in a country that's essentially a dictatorship already, the reasons should be obvious number one, but it also does its job perfectly.

    But for the reason I brought this thread back up...

    So, the Coca-Cola company has trademarked the name "Ecto-Cooler" again, or so the net says (wishful thinking often becomes fact some how and falls through when it's called a rumor). I'm going to be cautiously optimistic that this could be a thing.
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yes. I do seem to remember seeing GB2 and thinking, "Oh ok, so that's the real life Egon, I get it," as opposed to the cartoon one, lol. There was always this interesting blending. Pretty sure I saw the original film later.

    Yeah that keeps being thrown around, that would be cool seeing it on the store shelves again!
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I need to confirm that, but it seems that it's likely the film only got a sequel because of the cartoon series' popularity. The cartoon did try to shake off the movies as movies made about them, but the show took events of the movie as canon, even the second film. That's why the two episodes on the 2 disk Ghostbusters release were chosen to go along side the movies. They both had ties to the movies, the first episode taking place directly after the events of the movie (and explaining why they had different colored uniforms and kept Slimer around) and the second utilizing the mood slime from the second movie (as well as the redesign of Janine, who looked more like her second movie makeover counterpart).

    Then the thing I constantly say about Men in Black, where the cartoon (at least the first few seasons) were far better than both sequels.

    I cannot express how much disappointment Turtle Pies not coming back for the last TMNT cartoon revival there was. Could have made new ones to tie into the movie, though. Even then, it's just vanilla pudding filled pies with green icing. They didn't even need the TMNT tie in. Seems like a nice Halloween based product. Hi-C had Ecto-Cooler long after the deal with Columbia expired, even going as far as changing the name once they stopped putting food coloring in the juice boxes (to the delight of parents everywhere). But I guess that green liquid was the main appeal, but it was much better tasting than the standard Orange Lavaburst flavor. It was wonderfully tangy and complex (for a kid's fruit flavored drink, that is) while Lavaburst is just flat and watered down. I guess it was one of those times where they just simplify the product line and cut anything out that wasn't a main flavor, so even with a different name and no green color, Ecto-Cooler just disappeared.

    Though I can see the new flavor marketed to adults, rather than kids. Probably sell them in cans and bottles instead of Hi-C boxes. Hopefully it's a wide release and not one of those things that needs to be ordered on-line for ridiculous prices. Then again, Burger King brought back Surge as a frozen drink.
  4. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    The first poster doesn't look so bad.


    Still, did they have to stop the Ghostbusters franchise after 2 movies, but this looks cool.
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  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The one thing I'm not positive about is the first film. Like, I might have seen bits and pieces of it on TV before GB2.

    Oh I know! But those were hard to find even back then. I only had them because my Dad managed to get them at work somehow. I was the envy of my entire class, lol. Everyone always wanted a piece and I didn't mind sharing as the attention was fun. :wisdom:
  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    So congrats, you'll be among the first fans to see this footage of the new Ghostbusters movie before this clip gets taken off of YouTube, lol:

  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And for fans of the original film that have a crapload of money and space, the almost 400 dollar LEGO Ghostbusters fire house is now available.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, the trailer for the movie is out and all I can say is, at least the plot looks better than the second one. The second film is pretty contentious in its own right. I like it, but certainly not more than the first movie or the first half of the animated series.

    Still, ugh... the nontroversy about the movie is just a huge turn off and making me want to see it even more so this film can be 10 bucks more successful to stick it to the butthurt little fanboys whining about how it stars women. Now, I totally understand the whole thing about reboots and long standing sequels ruining old franchises and all. Even though last year managed to prove they fired on all cylinders 3 times with Force Awakens, Jurassic World, and Mad Max Fury Road, it's not something that has a major success rate. But you can't whine about how sexist and racist Hollywood is when they try to recast familiar roles because no one's willing to see original films starring women and non-Caucasians. That's where the complaints fall on dead ears to me.
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  9. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    It seems like this new movie will utilize a lot of stereotype-based humor, with the sassy black woman trope sticking out the most. The original GB never resorted to that, and will probably be seen as more progressive because of it. So yeah, that's one big strike against this reboot.

    It's not all bad, though. I do like how the new Ecto-1 is made from a hearse, and I also like some of the new tech. That ghost bear trap looks pretty cool.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That I'll agree I'm concerned with, but I'm mixed if this is really the case or the trailers point that sort of thing out. I kinda wish they made the black woman member a lot more subtle like Ernie Hudson was. Maybe it won't be so bad in the film itself, or maybe it will. That' the only casting choice I disagree with. There are a lot of great black comediennes out there, and not all of them do the large sassy woman bit. Maybe they should have moved a little further from the SNL cast for this film.

    That said, I'm still over the moon happy they didn't get Cecili Strong for this film.

    Other than that, I kinda agree with the sentiment that we don't have enough female scientist roles in movies and TV. Only ones off the top of my head are Princess Bubblegum, Gadget from Rescue Rangers, and the Test sisters. And no one likes Jonhny Test, so that doesn't count. And they're always pining over Gil, so even then it's arguable how progressive that is.

    On the whole, I really hope that animated Ghostbusters movie happens. Probably won't be "the Real Ghostbusters" and I'm okay with that.
  11. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I don't really know how I feel about the trailer. I don't mind the all female cast, or even how 'clean' the movie looks, which is a complaint I saw. My issue is the type of comedy. It's like it's trying to be the Scary Movie of the franchise :/
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I have problems with trailers period. I don't know how many movies I vow I'd never see because of a crappy trailer only to be proven delightfully wrong by the film. I'm a fan of The matrix, but only after years of refusing to see it because the trailers were terrible. The one I loved was the first Smurfs movie. Yeah, it did kinda suck, but the trailer was hilariously full of the worst parts of the movie, all exaggerated. Well, not the random and completely unnecessary Guitar Hero ad, but everything else essentially. Considering the cast, the Bridesmaids movie trailer was made with all the humor in mind, but in reality, it was more depressing a film than wacky. I really hate how certain trailers focus on the dumbest parts of the movies or parts that are better in context. Or even my favorite, redubbing clips out of context (I always cracked up at the Emperor's New Groove trailer where Pacha slams into Kuzco when they fell off the bridge and Kuzco asnwers with an out of sync "No touchie.")

    There are some key things I liked about the trailer. Ghosts possessing one of the characters, a conspiracy about someone building a device that creates paranormal activity. So much better than "haunted painting wants to kidnap a baby and we have to use the Statue of Liberty to save him." I'm hoping the story is stronger than the comedic aspect the trailers are playing up.
  13. Yorick

    Yorick Well-Known Member

    You'd be better off giving 10 bucks to some organization that helps women somehow, rather than giving it to a movie. Unless you actually want to see the film, which is a perfectly fine reason to spend your money on it, of course!

    I am uninterested in it, but this is not because it stars women. It's not an anti-women thing. I don't discriminate that way - I judge only by words and actions, and nothing else.

    It's because the original is so darn cool and special, and this is wrong because it looks like it's pretending the original didn't happen, which is disrespectful. Men or women, I would have the same reaction. If I am wrong about this, let me know.

    And if everyone else wants to see it, have fun - but I won't be. And the producers will not be crying over my money missing from their stash :)
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  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The trailer somehow mentions the original, but everything I've read about it seems like a different universe reboot. Honestly, I'm not thrilled with that either. Then again, the comics, cartoon, and movies all take place in different dimensions or timelines or whatever you'd call it. I can accept it that way, but I still wish this movie would have been about a bunch of scientist women buying a franchise license from the down on their luck, spry but not spry enough original Ghostbusters. Considering The Ghost Busters (the unrelated live action TV show and then the passive aggressive Filmation cartoon), there could have been some nice jokes about Famous Original Ray's Ghostbusters somewhere in there.

    Now, if there's one thing we can agree on, it's that the original Ghostbusters film was a very special film. An action comedy with a real sense of soul and peril that managed to pull the goofy concept off and make an instant classic. The second one, while divisive was also good, there were things added to the mythology to make it all the richer, but honestly, they couldn't repeat exactly what was special about the first one. Some outright just don't like it. As for me, I didn't get around to seeing Ghostbusters until I was older. I knew of the movie, but my first exposure was the animated series. While GB is one of my favorite movies, the earlier exposure and accessibility of the cartoon series kinda makes me more of a fan of that. Barely. And frankly, between the first film and second, I really think the cartoon did a better job of the mythology (until ABC got their kid friendly grubby hands all over it). Even taking account the events of both films and expanding on them. And yes, I even like that the busters were still in business the whole time rather than the down on their luck, resorting to kids' parties hasbeens the second film established. Almost as if to say the writers didn't like very much the idea of the cartoon series.

    As far as this film goes, in the end this thing could very well suck anyway. Look at Fantastic Four. All the controversy about Race Lifting the Human Torch (which I don't mind, though frankly I think he should have been Latino), turns out that wasn't why the film sucked. It sucked because it sucked. And there are very valid reasons to dislike the movie buried in the death threats and misogynistic extremists. The movie is very important to people, it is to me. But in the end, the only thing that's making this film look like it's taking a dump on the original is your own hang up. If this film is tarnishing the reputation of the first, ignore it. Lucas made some pretty dumb things happen with the prequels, but in the end they're not really consistent with the original trilogy, and so far Disney's films ignore them as well. With this new Ghostbusters, I'm not ultra excited to see it, "be there the opening weekend with an Imax ticket." In fact, I wasn't going to bother at first, then I'm warmed up to "try to catch it on a Bargain Tuesday matinee at a crummy theater if something better doesn't come out." I like some of the concepts of the film I can make out, I just don't think it's anything but a kid putting on his father's too big shoes. Still, I have faith in Paul Feig. Just enough to feel I'll have a maybe enjoyable 90 minutes. I try very hard not to talk down films after half the ones I complain about I end up liking. I'd rather be mildly disappointed than feel like a complete idiot.
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  15. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Ya, this movie doesn't look good, it has nothing to do with the actresses, just the content they were given, not going to watch it.
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  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I like Leslie Jones on SNL and I like her in this trailer. Like her or not, she has a personality and she's more memorable than any of the others thus far. It's clear they featured her in the trailer and they knew what they were doing. My Dad loved her bit at the Oscars, and he never likes anything SNL related, lol.

    And I will see this movie. I'll see it more than once if I feel like. For two reasons:

    1. Reitman is producing and the original actors are cameo-ing. I would like to see them. I'm not a fan only through the good times, but through the difficult times as well.

    2. I'll see this movie because I am utterly ashamed at how the fandom has reacted to it. Utterly. I had the misfortune of running into one tonite who delighted in predicting what a train wreck it would be. It wasn't the words of a fan. It was the words of a bully. I don't care if it's because of women, or a dislike of reboots, the overeaction from "fans" has been downright embarrassing.
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  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The characters aren't real. The actors and writer who brought them to life are. And they are making an appearance in this film. I'll take a chance, for them. I don't see how boycotting this film is showing them any respect (no offence to you in particular).

    I will see this film, more than once perhaps. The fandom's overreaction to this has been downright embarrassing (again, not singling anyone out here).
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  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Couldn't agree more. There are reasonable complaints about the movie sure. Even if we got the Ghostbusters 3 that Murray was dragging his feet about for years, there'd be an unhappy fanbase. That's the way things are. I certainly wouldn't expect a positive reaction even if that film was good. And I'm well aware that even if that was the case, fans would have preferred that actual third movie over this. I needn't mention TTG wasn't what the TT fans wanted either, even the ones that were supportive of the DC Nation Titans shorts.

    It's just this film managed to be produced first while the other film sat in development purgatory for years. The closest thing we got to a sequel was a video game. And that was almost a DTV animated movie. I don't know if anyone wants to blame Murray for being "too good" to reprise a role that made him famous (I absolutely love the guy, but the fact he did both Garfield films but not this kinda irked me), or the misfortune of Harold Ramis passing a while back. It's a shame we didn't get the GB3 movie they were working on, but it was going to be a next generation deal anyway. And yes, fans didn't much care for that one.

    But the level of crap the movie's getting by whiny fanboys is too embarrassing to laugh at. In a sea of death threats and misogyny, the valid complaints can't break through without sounding like noise. In these cases, yes, the loudest, dumbest, extreme complaints taint the whole argument. The trailer has left me mixed, certainly. It looks like it could go either way for me, but I'm loving the storyline. It's a shame we didn't get something like that for the second movie, but I can say that about perhaps any episode of the cartoon series (syndicated of course). And then again, there's also a lot of unjustified hate towards Extreme Ghostbusters when it was a far better show than it could have been or should have been. Took the original series as canon, didn't make the series too light and airy, and best of all, Slimer was a barely verbal character that didn't hog the spotlight. What's not to like about the last one?
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  19. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    A fanbase is going to have a reasonable amount of hate for any project they get, this is not a reasonable amount of hate, the Youtube trailer has double the dislikes than likes, and I can't help but agree with them. Trying not to look like a whiny fanboy, but there's no reason for me to watch this movie, the humor just doesn't look good, it looks just like any poorly written Melissa Mccarthy flick, and that's not what I want to see in a new Ghostbusters film.
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  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure it's my kind of humor either. But YouTube is irrelevant to me. A ton of people don't ever vote on YouTube. It appeals to a very specific demographic. I can see the humor in this film appealing to other demographics.

    If there wasn't going to be cameos from the original actors, I might not be as interested in seeing this film. But those guys made my childhood pretty awesome, I can take a chance for them. :)

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