Matt, Since it seems like one of the posts which made you feel berated was mine, I would just like to point out that I actually sympathized with you in the beginning of this thread, and also defended your right to speak your mind. I am not totally sure how I feel about the "goth" community, since I really don't know anyone who claims to be "goth", however, I thought your thread topic was interesting, and was happy to see it develop. I really never thought it got out of hand... until that last post there, where you called someone here "too young and stupid". Seems ironic that you appear to have ruined your own thread, and just when it was going so well, too! I say, on with the cultural debate... minus the personal attacks of course!