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Goths, Punks, Freaks, and Muppets - Is it all Very Wrong?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Cantus Rock, Aug 11, 2002.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>yeah, I think we're all one weird group, muppets are weird. but yeah Matt, i agree this shouldn't go on much longer, it's already been a long debate<<<

    why? Its interesting, and its one of the few serious threads that didnt get all muffin'd up.
  2. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member

    Sorry but NO WAY! *You* brought it up, now *you* have to reap the returns, and NO, *you* can't just tell us all to stop talking about it because *you* are embarrassed now. Geesh!
  3. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    I was too harsh in this message, and I apologize to Kansasteen if she read it and was offended.

    -Matt
  4. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    Ya know what, Fine, everyone fine. Go ahead, continue this stupid debate. I don't care. In fact, why doesn't everyone just jump on me for starting it. Yes, I did start it, and when I try to bring closure to it, people critisize it. I am done with this thread, and if you'd like to further keep this little festival of opinions up, be my guest.

    -Matt
  5. Lu775

    Lu775 Member

    Hey everyone....

    Calm blue ocean. Calm blue ocean.

    Better? Every one feeling a little more chilled out?
  6. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    Wow...Lu, that really works. Lu: The MCForum guru of thought theropy. :)

    -Matt
  7. ClubCreatures

    ClubCreatures New Member

    Hey :)

    Wow.

    Crazy ACTIVE community here!

    Um, yeah. Karma. You start it. It comes full circle. You cope. :) Happens to the best of us.

    Thanks for the feedback! (Love DEVO)

    Hmm.. There really isn't a "clubkid" scene anymore. It died in '96. There are still some creative people out there in the club scene though.

    Funny you mention "Party Monster" our costumes are being featured in the feature film version. With Macaulay Culkin, Seth Green, Chloe Sevigny, Natasha Lyonne, Dylan McDermott, Lucy Lui, Wilson Cruz, John Stamos, Diana Scarwid, Daniel Franzese and Marilyn Manson. We were also extras on set for a couple of days. Fun experience.

    I've been lurking on the boards for a while. Have been coming back more often to check on Action Figure news. SO LOVED Series 1. Can't wait to get the whole Electric Mayhem. esp. Janis.

    XXXOOO
    Satori
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Um...I need a hug!:p

    It's a healthy debate. I really think it's been blown out of proportion (including myself in the equation).

    Sometimes whimsical opinions appear to be absolutes when they are intended to be humorous. All this talk makes me want to dye my hair black and rummage through the closet for my old clothes. Watch out!
  9. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the feedback! (Love DEVO)<<<

    Oh yeah, Im big on the nerd pop ala devo, kraftwerk, s.p.o.c.k.


    Hmm.. There really isn't a "clubkid" scene anymore. It died in '96. There are still some creative people out there in the club scene though<<<

    Yeah there were a number of various NYC club scenes I thought were interesting. Some of it got negative attention like on day time talk shows and documentaries. I think some may have seen club kids as some weird mix of drug culture and Brooklyn drag queen vogue ball thing. East coast scenes though have always been fascinating, its where hip hop and the American rave culture and new wave got started.(well detroit was also the US rave birthplace) I miss seeing that really creative 'out there' club fashion...now its all big pants and goofy gloves. Hey, do you remember reading Mondo 2000? Thats where I first saw creative cyber culture outfits.

    >>>Funny you mention "Party Monster" our costumes are being featured in the feature film version. With Macaulay Culkin, Seth Green, Chloe Sevigny, Natasha Lyonne, Dylan McDermott, Lucy Lui, Wilson Cruz, John Stamos, Diana Scarwid, Daniel Franzese and Marilyn Manson. We were also extras on set for a couple of days. Fun experience. <<<

    I saw a peice with Marilyn Manson and the return of Culkin on that movie. So you were extras on the set and had some of your creations featured? Dang thats cool!

    I've been lurking on the boards for a while. Have been coming back more often to check on Action Figure news. SO LOVED Series 2. Can't wait to get the whole Electric Mayhem. esp. Janis.<<<

    Well welcome aboard! Yeah, the action figure news is really taking off. The Muppets are taking over! hehe
    (just wait til next year) ^_^
  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Sometimes whimsical opinions appear to be absolutes when they are intended to be humorous. All this talk makes me want to dye my hair black and rummage through the closet for my old clothes. Watch out!<<<

    Yeah, now I wanna put on my custom cyberpunk jacket with a gillion pins on it and get my mohawk haircut again;)
    Oh Jamie, just for the record if it helps...the Beaker MC button you designed has been prominently featured on my jacket since December!
  11. ClubCreatures

    ClubCreatures New Member

    Yep

    Yeah, we're really proud of the movie thing :)

    Our dream jobs:

    Satori - Creatureshop employee :)
    Zazoo - Writer for Henson

    Actually Zazoo's 9-5 side -- Christopher, is a copywriter. He's VERY influenced my muppet style skits. (Think Sam & Friends or Henson's LaChoy stuff)

    His radio spots are online here: http://www.conceptualcopywriter.com

    You'll notice that he's got talking food and everything. He's just won 7 "Silver Microphones" for his most Henson inspired Frisch's Big Boy spots :)

    -----------
    About the NYC scene... People take things too far, and it went too far. Then the local government cracked down. That's why that scene died.
    More Karma in action.

    The rave thing's gone too far now too, and the federal government is getting ready to crack down on that...

    ----------
    Yea! Have you been getting into this new "Electroclash" a return to the early, early 80's style electronic? Check out "Miss Kitten and The Hacker" if you get a chance. You'll love 'em.

    Happy to be aboard. Muppet people are the best people. Not to judge non-muppet people. LOL

    XXXOOO
    Satori
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Actually Zazoo's 9-5 side -- Christopher, is a copywriter. He's VERY influenced my muppet style skits. (Think Sam & Friends or Henson's LaChoy stuff)
    <<<

    Oh my! Sam & Friends, La Choy ad spots...you guys are hardcore fans! hehe Creatureshop and JHC writers, not bad ambitions! I would love to see some new out there concepts and ideas pumped into JHC, they sure need it now than ever.
    Thats why I loved the Jim Henson Hour so much. That show abounded with all kinds of geeks and subculture people(Digit, Zondra, etc)


    >>>About the NYC scene... People take things too far, and it went too far. Then the local government cracked down. That's why that scene died.
    More Karma in action. The rave thing's gone too far now too, and the federal government is getting ready to crack down on that...<<<

    Yeah, especially when any media attention is negative. Between the drugs and people talking things too far, something once interesting can be depleted into a husk of what it once was.

    >>>! Have you been getting into this new "Electroclash" a return to the early, early 80's style electronic? Check out "Miss Kitten and The Hacker" if you get a chance. You'll love 'em.<<<

    Is that a new music genre? Im big on the new futurepop/ebm/synthpop sounds like vnv nation, apoptygma berzerk, covenant, and solder stuff like gary numan, depeche mode, human league, etc So just what are you crazy kids listening to these days Satori?

    Happy to be aboard. Muppet people are the best people. Not to judge non-muppet people. LOL<<<

    hehe, I had no idea til I went to Muppetfest! Hope to see ya at MF 2003!
  13. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    This will be my last post in this thread, but I just want to say one thing to our new friend:

    <Um, yeah. Karma. You start it. It comes full circle. You cope. Happens to the best of us.>

    How is it karma when I post my opinion and it gets totally bashed by everyone? Just because someone has an opinion on this board and people disagree with it, it becomes a mass attack. Well whatever, I'm sure you'll fit in fine with everyone on here, because it seems I'm the only person who thinks differently from everyone. Enjoy.

    -Matt
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Well whatever, I'm sure you'll fit in fine with everyone on here, because it seems I'm the only person who thinks differently from everyone<<<

    Well Cantus, I for am glad to see this thread evolve, so thanx for posting! Really, its a neat cursory examination of different ways of expressing onself through dress and clothes. thats been a huge part of the Muppets for nearly 50 years.
  15. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    And thank you Cory, for not bashing me upon my leave. It was an interesting debate for a while, and then it got personal, and yadda yadda yadda...anyway, thanks. And as I usually say when I am just done:

    I am the Walrus - Koo Koo Kachu :)

    -Matt
  16. kansasteen14

    kansasteen14 New Member

    I'm sorry to shouldnt have been so um cranky and I hope you know I'm not a girl(why does everyone think that)
  17. ClubCreatures

    ClubCreatures New Member

    I read the whole thread

    Matt,

    I read the whole thread... and I don't think that people were bashing YOU, I think they were bashing you attributing your opinion to Jim Henson, and to all muppet fans.

    Also you stated that your opinion was fact. People were disputing this.

    Reread your original post:
    --------------------

    I believe it is horrible. Jim Henson made these characters with the intent of happiness and humor, and these wannabe-devil children embrace it. I think its degrading to the characters, and to Jim. I think its a bit annoying to Muppet fans like ourselves to see these punks walking around in Beaker shirts with their friends dressed in Slayer and Sixty-Nyne Wives shirts. They did to the Muppets what they do to all the good in the world;slap it on merchadise to make a statement about innocence. That's a fact (I know some of these morons). So, thats my opinion. I'd like to hear anyone elses.

    -Matt
    ---------------------

    Are you saying that you didn't want to hear anyone elses opinions? Because if so what you should have said is:

    "I'd like to hear back from the people who agree with me."

    Your statement really did not offend me because I think it was made out of ignorance, not that you are stupid, just that you have a narrow frame of reference.

    I think I came into this forum lightly and in a friendly manner to prove a point.
    I wanted to broaden your frame of reference, so that you could base future opinions on more than the "some morons" that you know.

    That's all. Really. I'm not here to contribute to your feeling of being bashed.

    Satori
  18. kansasteen14

    kansasteen14 New Member

    also you really should stop trying trying to suck up to people after you post something and I'm not a girl
  19. Natalie

    Natalie New Member

    oh poor Kansasteen, yeah, i don't know why it doesn't have a box that says check M/F on our profiles, really, it is an important thing when talking to other people! (although, with my name, i'm sure it's quite obvious!)
  20. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    Kansasteen, maybe your just too young and stupid to understand what a mutual respect is.. can ya say it with me muuutuuuaalllll respeecctt. Its more than that with me and Cory, being I consider him a friend on the board and I highly value his imput on any subject brought to the table. Don't attack me mister 14-year-old, because it can get you thrown off the board. I personally don't care if you dislike me, heck I'll admit I dislike you, and I don't think you do anything good for the board (even then I've said more than I like to one this sort of subject). But I keep my opinions of specific indivisuals to myself, being its A) Offensive to others on the board to hear personal complaints about anothers behavior, and B) it can degrade the esteem of the person in question. So, to sum it up plain and simple, if you don't like me, don't read or reply to my posts.

    And to Satori, it all just sounded to me like people were more attacking me than my opinion. Thank you for clarifying and welcome to the board. :)

    Ah, now I am done, and I feel a bit better, so

    Koo Koo Kachu, to you and yours. :D

    -Matt


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