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Preliminary Thoughts on Master Replica's Fozzie Bear

Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by Kevin Knight, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Animal is a "replica" in the way he can be (with a little alteration) made to look EXACTLY like one of the later Muppet posers, no matter what hes made of. I wouldn't go so far as to call Gonzo a simulation, but i also don't view him as a replica in the same way i do Animal and Kermit. So to me, as is, he's a replica in the way he is a great "replica" product but not a true replication of the poser. It's not just the nose, the eye placement and pupil placement are a big part of what makes "Gonzo" - he may well look a LOT closer with some customisation, and they totally nailed him from below the head. I wouldn't say he looks an A- because you gotta leave some room on the scale for Fozzie, unless Fozzie will get an A+++ (lol) but i know these all look way better in person so it truly does feel like an "A" to actually have a scale Muppet in your possesion.

    It is a question of where you store these beasts too, lol, the cardboard box mine was packed in was HUGE and the whole package together is quite heavy. Having five together will be a nightmare storage wise.
  2. Telly

    Telly Well-Known Member

    The only problem I'm having with the Gonzo replica is the area on the sides between his eyes and mouth. His eyes should be rounder and he shouldn't really have "cheeks". That's the only thing that makes him not look dead-on to me.
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Animal is more accurate in terms of materials, but Gonzo is much more fun than him or even Kermit in my opinion. Either way, does this candid picture stir anybody up into wanting the entire gang so far? :) :concern: :halo:

    When Fozzie comes Gonzo might be missed. But in all fairness, there might be plenty of bargain Gonzos to go around. Then again, maybe not.
  4. antonydavanzo

    antonydavanzo Well-Known Member

    I think with certain things like this us collectors may have to look past some of these flaws, sadly we were never going to get a perfect Gonzo, but I do thing that as a piece of work Gonzo is amazing. Everything you have said above is so true but sadly its a case of having to compramise and have Gonzo the way he is, or just not get him and get the rest of the line. But I do wonder if as a collector I would be kicking myself in 10 yrs time because I didnt get Gonzo because of the sock on his snout:D .......you know what I mean:D . I am getting him more for the last reason than any, I would have to have the line without him. Hey Ernie, would you get any more Muppet replicas from Travis wish list? Do you think any of those could create an issue with authenticness?
    I hope MuppetCaper or LabRat buy another Gonzo then add a foam nose to him, that could be interesting!
  5. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    Oh, I would absolutely get others on his list. I'll be there on day one to place a pre-order for Fozzie, as long as he looks like Terry's proto, which there's no reason why he shouldn't. As long as they don't ruin the shape of his head, he should be perfect!

    I also would get Bunsen and Beaker. Those are old fleece style Muppets and should be easy to duplicate.

    And I would definitely get Rowlf if they made him. He's so simple, I (almost) don't see how they could mess him up.

    Even though he wasn't on Travis' list, I would also get Scooter. Again, another fleece-covered Muppet with a simple shape that they should be able to make.

    While I would love to have "replicas" of Statler and Waldorf, those are the next two that I see being huge trouble maintaining the likenesses.

    I'm not down on the line at all. I just think they hit a home run with Kermit and Animal, while Gonzo is, at best, a double. And I'm not interested in spending $300 on anything but a home run.

  6. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    Well Statler and Waldorf where made out of latex foam so that leaves them out of the home run.
  7. KermieBaby47

    KermieBaby47 Well-Known Member

    I thought they were always covered with fleece, or flocked like Piggy? :confused: Maybe not, but if you're right, "were" is the key word. Nowadays I'm pretty sure (by the look of them) that they are flocked or fleece covered, maybe someone in the know could ask a builder at Puppet Heap.

    But I do agree with Earl here, they have so many intricacies on their wrinkly faces that it may prove to be too much of an obstacle. Maybe the new factory will surprise us though! Can't wait to see their Fozzie proto! :o
  8. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    They are made from latex foam and then sprayed over with flocking.It still breaks down as it is just particles glued on it.
  9. Ignohippo

    Ignohippo Well-Known Member

    Her KermieBaby, what'd you do to get Animal's hair so perfect? My Animal doesn't seem to have as much hair on the back of his head as yours does. You've got him looking PERFECT.
  10. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    About two or three years ago, shortly after Disney took over the brand, I got to put on Statler, and he was definitely flocked foam.

  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Totally jealous Frogboy here! :o
  12. Kermieuk

    Kermieuk Well-Known Member

    Was Once Ernie.

    Were you able to take any pics of you with Statler, Id love to see them.

    Does anyone else on here have photos of themselves with the 'real' Muppets?

    On another note, Id love to see lots of Muppet Replicas, but I must admit I dont know about Statler & Waldorf, I really dont want to spend hundreds of dollars on them, but I know I would if they get made!

    The core 5 are a must, then any extras are great, Scooter, Rowlf, Robin, Rizzo. I feel that the smaller characters, Pepe, Rizzo, Robin may not get made as even though there a lot smaller, the same amount of time and work would need to go into them, so the price would still be close to Kermit, casual fans probably wouldnt pay that for small characters?

  13. Blinky_Fish

    Blinky_Fish Well-Known Member

    Cheeep,Cheeep - Is there a Budgie near-by?

    Look, I see a lot of whining :boo: about costs but not enough about what really matters - QWALITY - :rolleyes: If you want cheap stuff you are not going to get the best possible product.

    Is this what I signed up for? I say NO - I Love the Prototypes, That is what I am willing to fight for as a voice of the people. If Fozzie is not up to par there should be blood at this point.

    So, that said. I (personally) am willing to PAY MORE for accurate recreations of the Muppets. I know what it's like not having fundage for the best stuff - it stinks but - If you want to compare it it could be like buying a BMW and comparing theYugo because it's made of steel and plastic as being the same stuff the real thing is made of - I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the cubicle today, sorry. Nothing on Trav either - Glad he's in there now to help the cause. But, I saw a Gonzo and almost lost it. I can't see the difference in County Fair versions from the current product other than the nice package. And it HURTS so much, Because I know they are capable of doing so much more. I have proof hanging on my walls at home with my StarWars gear.

    I have a hard time swallowing the "consumer" wants a cheaper product, isn't that understood? But what we really want is what we were sold on in the first place - Accurate representations of Jim Henson's Muppets in Photo Puppet Posable Form.

    The reality is that "the MAN" wants a cheaper product so that overhead is cleared with gi-normous profit. I say **** the man! They had a LE for StarWars - Why not for the Muppets? Involve the people that build them. And throw back the monkey poo at the licensor for agreeing to alter the true character. Stop the selling out, show the love for this man's work:wisdom: .
  14. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, I was being given a tour of the Muppet Workshop and photos were forbidden. I also promptly got in toruble and got my host in trouble for allowing me to handle the puppet. Still, it was very cool. He's not easy to put on. Quite a lot going on inside, due to his construction. But once I had him on, he worked like a dream. Very easy to operate.

    Here are pictures of me with 'real' Muppets.

    From a trip to Sesame Street: Bert and Ernie

    From the Muppet Movie: Ernie and Was Once Ernie
    This picture is a little grainy because I cropped it out of a much larger photo, but I'm the one with the glasses and beard. If you look carefully, you can see that my arm is in Ernie's arm. Look for his yellow sweater cuff to find it.

  15. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Couldn't have said it better!
  16. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    I agree, too. When the rumor first reached me that these were being made... and the rumor originally was that they would be puppets... I was told they'd be in the $1200 price range, which actually didn't seem unreasonable to me. I didn't know where I was going to find the money, but I would have found it somehow.

    It's not like MR doesn't have high end collectibles in that price range, because they do. They just decided that The Muppets couldn't fetch that kind of money. I say, if they had been done right, they could have, but probably not in the same numbers. I doubt they could have sold 2500 Kermits at that price, but I bet they could have sold 500.

    I just can't justify paying $300 for an unreasonable facsimile, though.

  17. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Firstly, why do you look like your romancing Bert in the first picture and secondly, how do you spot a yellow sweater cuff on a black and white photo?

    Only joking WOE, they are really really cool memories to have...really really cool!
  18. goodrastus

    goodrastus Well-Known Member

    I agree with Blinky about the quality vs cost aspect too. I also agree with KermieUK about Waldorf and Statler. While I like them as characters, I'd be more inclined to purchase a Bunsen and Beaker as replicas before them. If you look at the icons, I'd prefer something akin to the order there - but slot Bunsen and Beaker before the old guys. And I would like a Robin too!
  19. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    AMEN! The collectors want these to be "Replicas" and i would pay almost any price for a Fozzie like Terry's prototype. I have felt better about Gonzo since seeing some of the better lit side angle shots but the Muppet puppets are beautiful - you shouldn't have to look at your replica from the side 4 feet away for it to look slightly like the Muppet.
  20. Blinky_Fish

    Blinky_Fish Well-Known Member

    I think I was way too harsh - I think that without someone on the project as dedicated as Travis is to the Muppets you get these results. I am behind the new direction and I am giving the blah blah of the doubt. Fine I'll eat this one... but it's for the kids

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