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Redesigned Muppets for "The Muppets" movie

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by frogboy4, May 26, 2011.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's my least favorite hair style too... well, second least favorite.

    Somehow, I don't think the character ever looked any better than she since season 4 and GMC... But the facial part of the puppet looks better with the MTM hair. Maybe because the other hair style just accentuates things that look wrong about the puppet.
  2. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Just saw a high-res photo of Uncle D with his counterparts, and it seems he has the glowing-eyes feature! I love that about him! Creepy.
  3. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Well-Known Member

    I hope they use the 90's rebuilt frackles.
  4. Frogster

    Frogster Well-Known Member

    I've mentioned this before, but Beauregard hasn't changed much either. His eyes seem more lively. Same with Dr. Teeth's eyes, but I think his eyes have gotten too big, almost comical. Also, he used to be lime green, now he's got kind of a yellowish mix to the green. Like some people here, the designs of Sam, Piggy, Animal or Gonzo are gonna take some getting used to. I guess Fozzie's alright but I kinda liked what was said about his overbite from MTM; it was Frank performing him. Fozzie's had his moments but he has always been smarter than Gonzo; it was he who said, "We picked up a weirdo" about Gonzo from the first movie. I really think this movie is going to re-establish the hierarchy of the characters once again.

    Also, I think Bunsen's face has gotten somewhat bulbous, like his chin is catching up with the rest of his face. Crazy Harry kinda has the same thing going on, like the pinkish rings around his eyes are almost too comical, like as well as his actual eyes. Some of their faces have kind of ballooned up, like Bunsen and Scooter. Zoot's not bad either but I liked the mouth design from GMC; the permanent frown seems a lil depressing. Also, I like Floyd's look but I miss that design they used back during the last two years of TMS where his bottom jaw slanted upwards. His "lips" and grayish white eyelashes kind of make him look as if he's aged some. Julius Strangepork has the same thing going on but with his ears drooping and his saggy cheeks. The last thing I can think of is, I really miss the shaggy-ness of Sweetums from the first season of TMS. His face became less round and hairy and more squared up and less intimidating by the time the show ended, and he just didn't look as scary. That's probably good though, I used to have nightmares about him as a kid.

    Really I'm being completely nit-picky here. Besides, they have to keep updating them. They've backtracked on a few designs before; I remember Scooter and Rowlf and even Kermit not looking as good in GMC as they did during the last year of TMS, imho. I'm really just observing and not trying to complain. Bobo, Janice, Lew Zealand, Uncle Deadly, Rowlf, Link, Beauregard, Thog, Robin, Wayne and Wanda all look really great though.
  5. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    Just last night (kicking myself I didn't see this before), when looking at a behind-the-scenes shot with Kathy Griffith and Billy Crystal for "The Muppets," I realized Newsie, behind them at the table, ISN'T the one from the Disney XD videos! Comparing it best I could to the tiny bits where he's in the trailers, I believe they've put him back to close to what he used to be -- sharp nose and wide jaw! Whoo HOOO!
    (loves Classic Newsie) :)
  6. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    Er...Kathy Griffin. Whoops...

  7. markit

    markit Well-Known Member

    From watching the Trailer for new movie (which I just think is AMAZING!!) It's only really Animal that stands out to me as not looking right, and I know he's looked that way for a while now, but why is it so hard to make him look like how he used to ? Much more hair, much more..Animal like...he kinda looks a little malnourished now! ;) He seems to resemble the Master Replicas Poser more now, I miss Muppet Show Animal ! :)

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  8. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Personally, I have felt that since 2008, Animal has been going back to being really hairy, like he was in the early days of The Muppet Show.
  9. Puppet crazy

    Puppet crazy Well-Known Member

    Yes his head is a lot flatter and red. He now has huge bags under his eyes too. He looked good up until after Letters from Santa.
  10. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    uncle deadly
  11. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    I don't expect many to agree, but these are my thoughts on the new puppets...

    First of all, theres a huge welcome return to for on some characters that have been way of on recent productions especially Scooter who has never looked better.

    That said, I really don't like the new look Fozzie. I don't like the fur, the face shape and particularly dislike his eye focus - he looks spaced out!! I'm also not very fond of "bee-sting Gonzo*", theres just something about him that bothers me :(

    My overall comment would be that these new Muppets are too...perfect. They really lack the ragtag charm of the originals. I loved that the Muppets were never perfect, that there was a "craziness" not only in their personalities but also in their appearance, something very...non-Disney - infact, perhaps that's just it, this is "Disney's The Muppets" for better or for worse.

    All that being said, from what I've seen - this film ROCKS!!! And I can't thank the Mouse House enough for that!

    * ©Stuart Reeves 2011
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't get Fozzie's grey eyebrows, and I still don't dig the less detailed Gonzo nose... and advanced puppetry technique HAS made everything look too perfect (I have real problems with how Ernie and Bert look currently, though I'll take it over droopy ugly proto Ernie and Bert from the test show and first season).

    But I am LOVING the new Miss Piggy... at least over her modern era designs. I especially love the different hairstyles she went through just in this new movie alone. That flat hair piggy just looked terrible and accentuated her face being too squat.
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm going to completely agree with you here - especially on Gonzo. I really liked how he'd evolved up to Muppets Tonight and then maybe he became a little too clean looking, but this new version doesn't look quite right. I see an effort of trying to go back to the GMC era, but it doesn't quite work. It results in kind of a formless head and a puffy beak with a sheath construction that almost resembles the MR poser's nose-sock. I mean, he's not bad looking. Just not great. The coloring also looked a little off. Maybe this had to do with the bluescreening issues.

    I agree 100% on Fozzie. One friend of mine always remarked how he resembled fried chicken. Hahaha. Well, thats due to the color and texture of his fur. Now it looks more plush-like. Again, he's okay, but not quite right.

    Animal is actually looking better than a couple years ago, but I really would like to see the puppet go back to the Muppet Show days like they've done with Sam.

    Scooter looks and sounds fantastic! Of course, Piggy hasn't looked this good in years.
  14. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    they need to use uncle deadly in future projects hes a muppet now
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  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I also think that Disney's ownership has affected the look of the Muppets. They're cleaner and more brightly colored. It has also been said that there usually was only one of each Muppet build in Jim's day. That appears to have changed. I believe Disney decided that as long as they're investing in rebuilds of each character that they should create durable multiples that last longer. That's probably why they look a bit squeaky clean. I do like a lot about this latest attempt by Puppet Heap. It's just not exactly on the mark. I doubt we'll ever see iterations of the ragtag puppets we grew up with. The ones of exposed foam that held charm in the fact that they usually were in need of refurbishing for one reason or another.
  16. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

    Totally! I would especially love to see him star/narrate the long shelved Muppet Halloween special next year:)[​IMG]
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  17. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I don't think Disney owning the Muppets has anything to do with it.
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  18. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Maybe you are right. Manufacturing techniques and all have advanced since the Henson era. Who knows, if Jim was around today maybe they would be more perfect. It was just purely conjecture as Disney like everything "perfect".
  19. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Indeed, Jim may have always intended for them to be as perfectly formed as possible -- hence their constant adjustments throughout the TMS eras.

    However, I honestly LOVED when they looked less airbrushed and more lived in. It is a little like comparing old James Bond movies to new ones I suppose. The old ones have a certain, ragtag charm but you KNOW it was all produced on camera. The new ones are slick and fancy, but how much of it is REAL?
  20. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Well-Known Member

    I still don't like everyone saying the new gonzo is horrible. He looks better than he did on Letters to Santa, his eyelids didn't even touch his eyes.

    And Scooter and Fozzie look great, I loved the era when Scooter had a NECK, so yes, I love this new Scooter, not the weird, flatshapped one. And Fozzie has been hit or miss for eons. Some made him look like... erm... SPECIAL...Fozzie...

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