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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by frogboy4, May 26, 2011.

  1. Nick22 Active Member

    The only puppet I don't like is the new Gonzo puppet. Its not that I don't like it, it's just that he's kind of off. His nose is too blue and it's a weird shape. And there's something wrong with his eyes.

    I honestly think everyone else looks amazing. Piggy especially. Her hair looked so good in every single scene and her face is perfect and oh my gosh. She's so perfectly Piggy.
  2. Puckrox Well-Known Member

    I agree with all of this. Gonzo just doesn't look the same anymore. He's still my favorite, but there's just something, as Nick22 put it, kind of off. For me it's the eyes. Goelz has had control of his eyelids for a while now, but they're much too droopy nowadays. Gonzo just looked tired and sad in almost every scene, and I didn't know how to feel about that. There's also one scene where his mouth bothers me. I can't remember which... ugh.

    Piggy looks fantastic. I absolutely adore how her hair changed lengths in basically every scene change, and each style looked great on her.

    I don't have much qualms with the changes Animal and Fozzie have undergone. I think they each look fine.
  3. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's what I'd say too. I highly doubt Disney made any of the big decisions about what the characters should look like. If they did have anything to do with brighter colors, I didn't quite notice it.

    Is there any truth that Fozzie's fur isn't even manufactured anymore? Some of these things can't be helped... though I still don't get Muppet Babies nose Gonzo. That's the only glowing example.

    But this isn't something Muppet/Disney exclusive...

    Take a look at Sesame Street's Prairie Dawn

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    This is her older look, a smaller head, much more expressive, eyes very close to the mouth... very whispy looking.

    Now check out her more current look...

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    on the one hand, the character's more consistent looking from appearance to appearance, but the head construction is much stiffer, and therefore less expressive. She even looks just a little bit bigger. it's like looking at 2 different characters almost.

    Puppetry technique changes and grows, and sometimes it becomes so over perfected, the little flaws in the material get ironed out, making them much stiffer overall. Let's look at 2 different Ernies...

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    70's-80's Ernie

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    modern... you can see his head is now perfectly oval shaped, almost rounder... his hair is too perfectly neat, and over all, doesn't quite look as expressive.
  4. LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    That's not the current Prarie, DrTooth. Current Prarie looks alot like the original, just in a frilly doll dress.

    Yeah, the puppets looked the best back in the day. Nostalgia and all. Gonzo looked his best in season 2, Fozzie in Season 3, Kermit in Season 3, Scooter in season 1... But stuff changes. Look at Godzilla. In all his 50 years of existing, his design changed constantly, from little tweaks, like making his eyes shift back and fourth, to giving him a completely new look. It's still the same, giant city smashing monster.
  5. Animal31 Active Member

    Excellent point, They actually made a different Godzilla suit for each and every movie. Older suits were altered to use for water scenes and more dangerous stunts where the main suit could be damaged.

    I think alot of the changes over the years could also have something to do with "artistic interpretation" on the part of the builder. Herry and even Elmo have gone thru these changes as well over the years. Maybe someone just thought Ernie or Gonzo would look better "this way" as opposed to "that way"?
  6. patchlion New Member

    The Muppets looked their best in The Great Muppet Caper - Miss Piggy especially.
  7. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I said "more current." I picked out that one from a couple years ago to make a point. Not so much as far as the dress goes, but as far as the new stiffer head constructions go. The older small AM's were basically glove puppets similar to Kermit or even Walter, but it appears they're stiffened with shaped foam cores. It's a formula they had to tinker with... the newest puppet does indeed closer to the original.

    Then again, I can easily say the same thing for Sherlock Hemlock:

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    They have quite a more consistent system of building AM's now. The head shape is oh so slightly different, and the face looks a little stiffer (I don't think he can quite crinkle his mouth the same way)... even his eye placement and hair are much neater and consistent. He looks almost too perfect in his last performance... too bad the imperfections, such as a (I don't want to say weaker) more flexible, softer fabric and foam combination, gave him more expression and a little more life.
  8. Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    heres my 2 cents...ill agree Gonzo isnt Perfect but i do like this shape better that the one we had in Bohemian rhapsody...his head doesnt seem as blown up..his nose is still a little big but i can deal with it

    Fozzie almost the same thing...certain scenes i dont like his look he looks to babyish...main scene that comes to mind is when they are talking about Piggy in the car and decide to travel by map

    everyone else looks fine to me...but i agree on brightness especially on Kermit he has gotten brighter over the years
  9. Puppet crazy Member

    Even in Muppets From Space all the characters didn't look too different from the Muppet Show.
    I guess it's a completely new group of puppet makers now. Maybe they don't have the old patterns for Gonzo, Fozzie and Animal anymore either. Or perhaps they are taking short cuts to reproduce them easier.
    I'm having a really hard time accepting new Animal .
  10. King Rupert Member

    Im surprised how many of you like the new Mayhem... Too bright, too trendy, not enough rock n roll.

    Bring back Zoots hat and Floyds Sgt Pepper Jacket.
  11. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Finally! Someone agrees with me. GMC Piggy is my favorite Piggy puppet.
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  12. ToodlesTeam Active Member

    Maybe I'm just absolutely losing my mind here, but I can't help but notice that the current Kermit puppet looks a little funky sometimes. I'm not quite sure what it is about it, because most of the time he looks fine, but sometimes he just looks...odd now. I didn't notice it so much in the movie itself, but rather in all the promotional appearances of Kermit before the film came out and such.

    I feel like his eye focus is a little different now, or perhaps just the placement of his eyes. It also seems like his mouth is a little wider and rounder, and it makes his jaw look too large from certain angles.

    I don't know. Perhaps I'm just nuts. But there have been lots of times recently when I've been watching Kermit and thought "Huh, he looks a little off there." I dunno...
  13. Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    ^ actually it recent years ive noticed every now and then one of Kermits eyes is off focus
  14. Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    I have really noticed that a lot of the Muppets eye focus seems off. I recall seeing a video with Jim Henson, Frank Oz and Michael Frith discussing the placement of the pupils. The were purposely placed closer together to give them better focus. The pupil placement now appears to be in the center of the eyes, giving a slightly spaced out look - Fozzie in particular suffers from this.
    frogboy4 likes this.
  15. Duke Remington Active Member

    Actually, the Mayhem has returned to their old, classic outfits within the last couple of years, including in the new movie.
  16. Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    havent noticed fozzie so much ill have to go back and check...but kermit every now and then i can tell
  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There's something weird about Fozzie's head shape in recent years...

    http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Fozzie_Bear_Through_the_Years

    He had a really rounded head around the time VMX came out, and it's like they went back and forth on that shape...

    Yeah, it looks like a completely new fabric is what Fozzie's made out of now, so that makes him look a bit of.
  18. LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    Everyone's talking about the core cast looking good or bad. But not one word of Bobo's new face mechanics? I loved the new Eyebrow and Ear movements on him.
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  19. ToodlesTeam Active Member

    Yeah, I did notice that! Subtle, but a very nice addition.
  20. Puckrox Well-Known Member

    Has Bobo's ears never moved before? I thought they had...

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