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regular figures...mega sized...what about minis?

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by beaker, Jul 29, 2002.

  1. FellowWLover Member

    Funny that you say that, because just such a suggestion has often been made regarding other merchandise available through MC. I think that would be very fair, and would ease some of the concerns that have been raised, but I realize that it would be hard, if not impossible, to regulate. (Who is an official MC member, and who is just here for the discount? etc. etc.)

    Yes your point has been made, but just to clarify, I never accused you of "fleecing" people. Suggesting that I believe it was your intent to raise interest in, and gain support (and sales) for the line is a far cry from saying that you tried to swindle the people here.
  2. Luke Active Member

    Ken,

    There is definitely a 'more than meets the eye' thing going on here - i don't think you've ever heard or been told the half of it, but thats whats at the root of all this and probably asking around would get you the candy coated version. At one time this site was hosted for free at Geocities and there was much more of a community style atmosphere (even the puppeteers joined in), lots more interaction with the people running the site and less of an emphasis on needing to make money. Then things went .com and there obviously was a certain emphasis placed on raising money because of the costs, but at the same time people liked a non-commercial atmosphere where they didn't see plugs for products continuously. After a lot of discussion on this it seems changes have been made to limit this and to the websites credit, it's got a lot better.

    As to why the site shouldn't make money for itself - possibly two reasons. One, it has always been said that the site is non-commercial (unbiased and impartial) and that any money raised from the store goes back into the site running costs. Therefore being reliant on the products for income kinda takes a lot of that away. Also at one time people were asked to support the site store because it was working on a non-profit basis rather than carrying adverts or asking for donations, and quite a few people do so.

    Secondly, being a totally unofficial site it uses copyrighted photos and reproduces other matierial without many restrictions because it isn't supposed to trade on the Muppet brand and has a good relationship (i think) with Henson getting the unofficial nod. Toughpigs hardly uses ANY Henson pictures or copyrighted matierial so it doesn't break any copyrights and also exists with no kickback links for Henson licensed products or adverts at all - the webmaster pays himself because of his own fan love (not saying that everyone can afford to do that, or people who don't have any lesser of a fan love though) - i plan to do the same with my ALF site. 'Kermitage.com' IS going to be an officially connected site with Henson, JHC own the domain name - the webmasters (Mar and Michael) have had meetings with Henson on what they can and can't do, what they have access to reproduce, and have even had to sign legal agreements. So basically being licensed characters that Muppet Central doesn't own or have the legal right to use it probably wouldn't be a good idea to go even more commercial - i think Henson have acted pretty well to accomodate all the Muppet websites - most of the Disney and WB fansites are much more restrictive and send out Cease and Desist letters for almost anything.

    I'm not sure how i'd feel personally about 'Muppet Central' directly selling the figures at a discount price. On the one hand yes it would benefit fans a lot, but on the other hand, it might be seen as using the other content to drive people towards the figure sales pages, and i'd rather the sites focus was more on news and information rather than having to worry about selling things. I'm sure the Phillip would make the right decision about that, but i think if he could get the official nod from Henson that it's ok to do so, it would help and reassure people tons !

    So to sum it all up - it's more about whether it's a bad thing for the site to have a financial relationship with the Muppets, rather than Palisades !
  3. Louis Kazagger New Member

    Well, I really don't see what choice the forum has other than to try to generate revenue to keep itself up. It's a lot to ask for the owner to pull money out of their pocket and keep this site up just for us. Over at the Simpsons Collector Sector, they pass the hat once every six months and everyone throws money at them for two or three days through Paypal until they say that they've reach their Target donation amount to fund the site for another six months. But they have a much larger membership group than we do here. I've lived the life where you get bombarded with advertisement on "free" web forums, and I think that's more of a turnoff than someone running an online shop to fund the site.
  4. Louis Kazagger New Member

    I'll say. You just know this is never getting back to the topic of mini figures again. ;)
  5. ResidentLilly Active Member

    Yes your point has been made, but just to clarify, I never accused you of "fleecing" people. Suggesting that I believe it was your intent to raise interest in, and gain support (and sales) for the line is a far cry from saying that you tried to swindle the people here.

    Oh sorry...my bad. I wasn't referring to anything you said specifically, just a general overview...I know you did not say that specifically.
  6. Luke Active Member

    Yeah i couldn't agree more. Especially with all the extra members it has and bandwidth it must be using as the popularity increases. This site and also the management of it has improved tons in my opinion over the past year or so. Sure, it still doesn't have as much of the spirit and family atmosphere it once had as a small and very close community but there are a good crop of people and we've gained great features such as the Radio and the collectables section which are both cool and cost in some way.

    Thats what i'm saying - you kinda have to maintain the right balance between trying to fund your site, and providing top notch features and content so it doesn't look like you are relying or basing things around sales too much. I guess it's one of the skills you learn as a webmaster and i'm sure ours would make a careful decision as to how things develop (and lets face it - we Muppet fans are pretty vocal if not). You also have to consider that you don't own the properties that your site is based on - a lot of the Simpsons sites didn't consider that and many ended up getting C&D's and getting shut down. Thankfully the Henson company are a little kinder to their fans !
  7. beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>If you don't want to talk about figures or Ken there are other threads and forums to go to.<<<

    I had no idea, I really thought all things pertaining to the figures and Ask Ken was a sticky thread, impervious of non figure related posts^_^

    Btw Luke...I remember those good ol times when JHC Muppeteers came on MC! *sigh*
  8. FellowWLover Member

    Thought maybe since the release of "minis" (well, PVCS) has been officially announced it might be fitting to resurrect this thread. If I didn't know better, I would swear that Cory was clairvoyant. :p
  9. Louis Kazagger New Member

    Who are you, John Henry Williams sister or something? ;)

    Let the dead stay dead, start a new thread.
  10. Luke Active Member

    Hey Louis,

    Who is that in your avatar ? Is it from Fafner Hall or something ?
  11. Louis Kazagger New Member

    Er,.... um...., it's "Louis Kazagger", a Muppet from the Muppet Show. ;)

    You know, "Hello sports fans, this is Louis Kazagger, welcome to the wild world of Muppets sports!", the Howard Cosell sportscaster knockoff who covered sporting events such as the wig race (and his own hairpiece jumps off his head to get into the race) ...... No?

    (Note to self: looks like I'll be waiting a while for a figure of my avatar......) :confused:
  12. FellowWLover Member

    Don't let him fool you, Luke barely knows what a Muppet is.

    :p
  13. Louis Kazagger New Member

    LOL! :D

    That may be true, but you just know he's going to get a penguin before I get a Louis. ;)
  14. Luke Active Member

    Oh Yeah !!!! (anyone know where i can get one of those Men in Black memory loss tasers to make everyone forget the last few posts). Seriously, my knowledge of TMS characters (besides the main ones) is a little limited by the fact i was in a highchair at the time they aired, but i'm "up" on the movies and other shows. I do need to get these TMS DVD's when they come out.

    I think that character would make a fine figure, he's very funky looking. Gee - i always thought your real name was Louis Kazagger and that it was really cool. LOL ! :D
  15. beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>If I didn't know better, I would swear that Cory was clairvoyant<<<

    Hmmm, or maybe Im on the Ken take like a few certain somebodies on here? hehe no...when I saw megas were announced the first thing that popped in my head were 'why not minis'? Im not too thrilled they wont be minis(ala small limited articulated figures) but it will be nice to see who Palisades can come up with. I just hope they dont do the DC Comics thing of $30+ for a set, ugh. Thats almost as much as the Kermit collection chess game!
  16. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Ken said on this very thread: "...you might be looking at a 24.99-29.99 retail price."

    So it won't likely be over $30. He may be trying to cut that price as well. It would be a good idea, but you get what you pay for. The Simpsons minis do not have anywhere near the detail or paint that a Muppet PVC would need. I'm thinking of these as resins in plastic. From the sound of it, I don't think Ken is interested in making cheap run of the mill PVC figures. They're cool, I know. They are just raising the bar on that.

    Hope they don't go for much over $20, but I'd pay more.
  17. beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>From the sound of it, I don't think Ken is interested in making cheap run of the mill PVC figures. They're cool, I know. They are just raising the bar on that.

    Hope they don't go for much over $20, but I'd pay more<<<

    Oh Jamie, a lot of us would pay over $25 on the pvcs, sicne a lot of us are fond of the smaller figure thing. And while detail isnt a big thing to me, I can see Ken's point. I can imagine the detail...raising the bar on PVCS sounds weird since pvcs are an old concept, but I am very interested to see what Palisades can do. On a side note I had this dream last night that I walked into a store and they released mini figures. For some reason they were individually carded, and more the fisher Price 78 line. Then again all my life Ive been dreaming for a continuation of that line...hopefully Palisades will make more Robot Rabbit/lobster Bandito sized figure accessories. (Im hoping Rizzo and Pepe are that size)
  18. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think it has been stated that Rizzo will likely be a little shorter than Robot Rabbit, but I could be wrong. Rizzo is supposed to come right under Kermit's collar at the tallest.
  19. beaker Well-Known Member

    I think rizzo should be around the size of th eUK Rizzo action figures...my vote is for 3 inches...also, I believe Pepe is the same heighth as Rizzo as far as the scale of these things, so whatever size Rizzo is its a good bet Pepe will be about the same. Anyways, looks like we'll have to wait to early next year to get a sneak peak at what he'll look like! I just hope a Pepe figure is in the works as well, as I AM still strongly for him being in series five or six. Who the heck wants to wait for 2004 for Pepe? I sure dont...I mean why have JHC push Pepe to one of the main characters if hes not reflected in the line?
  20. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I thought it has already been established that Rizzo will be around 3 inches. That is just under Kermit's collar and any smaller would make him hard to sell as a single action figure.

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