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Sam the Eagle as Samuel Arrow action Figure

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by Drtooth, Oct 31, 2002.

  1. bc-fraggle

    bc-fraggle New Member

    I am not to worried if Sam looks like a real Eagle or not. After all he isn't a real "living" eagle, so it is okay with me if his features are "exaggerated in the case of him having short legs". I think Sam with short legs gives him character. Sam also seemed like a "grounded" muppet in morals, having short legs makes him "closer" to the ground. Hence the pun...

    For those wanting "blue" feet... perhaps Palisades might consider having a "natural" colour version and a "blue" paint version. Like how Floydd will come in two differend jacket colours. Just a thought.. to appeal to everyone out there.

    I wonder too if Sam has knees. Do we ever see him sitting in MTI? I can't remember.
  2. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Active Member

    Can't paint his feet blue because they aren't blue. That's the skin tone. Watch MTI and you will see...
  3. Gonzo

    Gonzo Active Member

    Do we ever see him sitting? The ONLY time you see his legs, he's sitting in the lifeboat, with his big yellow feet sticking out under him.

    And the coloring of the feet is accurate both to what we see in the movie and what Henson told Palisades to make--Palisades has to do certain things according to a color code that Henson specifies--which is why Animal, while brilliant, may not be the color that I usually think of him as.

    Sam's feet are yellow. Just like Kermit's arms are green. To have a "blue feet" version would be as silly as a "purple arm" Kermit.

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  4. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Jamie,

    We also thought it because the Schleich Sam figure had blue feet.

    Why did Henson let that past ?

    See ya
  5. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Active Member

    henson lets a lot of stuff pass, i mean it would be long before Sam's feet would be shown in MTI from whenthe schleich fig was made, maybe in hensons eye's Sam was ment to have blue feet back when on the muppet show.

    so it's really not wrong then, but its not right either? I Guess...i guess i'm all mixed up now, i would rather have him the way he is thought.
  6. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Yeah i guess they just thought that yellow feet would be better when they knew they'd be visible in MTI. They change their minds about things a lot - it comes down to what their thinking is right now.
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Eeeek! I just posted a pic of his feet just one page back! LOL! I know, most people just read forward. I do that sometimes too. Here is the link again for those of you who may have missed it.

    --------CLICK ME! I AM THE LINK. RIGHT HERE. HEY, DON'T YOU SEE ME?----- :)

    As for the Schleich figures, well the colors on all of them were a bit screwy. I wouldn't go by those. Gonzo, Animal and others looked rather odd. Still have fond memories of them, but they are not the best representations of the characters.
  8. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Jamie,

    On behalf of the rest of us blind people, i think we were well aware from your most excellent screenshot that the feet were yellow in MTI. The conversation was more about have they always been yellow or has there been some kind of change ?

    When the designers made the feet for MTI it's quite probable that Henson had to make the blue/yellow decision and figure out what would look best on screen. It could well be that earlier sketches over the years had blue feet and thats why they passed the merchandise. It wouldn't have been a big deal for them until the character's feet actually had to be seen on screen. The puppets go through so many design changes and rebuilds that anything is pretty much possible.

    I'm not saying i disagree, i think yellow looks best and the sculpt is perfect. Obviously what matters is that since MTI Henson have shown us Sam's feet are yellow, so yellow it is and thats what gets made. I just wouldn't be so sure they've always been yellow !
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I am aware of that. Just seemed that people have been still talking as if there is some sort of actual blue feet reference or an absence of all puppet reference to his feet when I just posted his only known full bodied pic. If henson says they are golden, well that's what they are. Of course this comes from the people that gave us skinny Piggy, but that is another issue entirely.
  10. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    LOL - Yeah i can see your point. They're making MTI Sam and you have proven above and beyond all doubt that they were golden yellow in MTI ! It's a good job we have a frogboy here with screenshot and reference capabilities !
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Maybe they should just have these figures come with paints! Sheesh! LOL! Hey, but that is a good gimmick! Hmmmmm!
  12. bc-fraggle

    bc-fraggle New Member

    Just saw the great posted pic of Sam sitting in the boat!
    I like him with yellow (goldish) coloured feet!
  13. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Putting out some kind of paint it yourself line is a cool idea - i think we mentioned it a while back and Phil mentioned that the Muppets had sold 'paint it yourself' stuff before a few times. Ok - it doesn't sound the most fantastic thing to some diehard action figure collectors who are used to just buying a piece, but when you look at how picky Muppet fans are about color schemes such as the Samuel Arrow feet you can understand why they might go for it.
  14. Gonzo

    Gonzo Active Member

    ...and Gonzo's nose...

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  15. bc-fraggle

    bc-fraggle New Member

    Woops! I myself always thought that Gonzo's nose was blue. But in your picture it looks pinkish. Can't remember off hand but isn't the figure coming out with a blue nose? Did Gonzo ever appear in Muppet form (not cartoon) with a blue nose?

    Oh wait... I think I already know the answer to my own question.
    The figures are made with the reference material provided by Henson.
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Gonzo's nose has gone through changes through the years, but has been fairly standard since the early 80s. His nose is more purplish than blue. It's just hard to translate it because it is no one solid color. It appears to really be blue with pink undertones goving it a purple hue. That's the best explanation I can give. It seems that giving Gonzo a blue nose looks better when he is drawn. And the Baby Gonzo puppet had a very blue nose.
  17. Hat Sharpener

    Hat Sharpener New Member

    The Palisades figures are the best likenesses of the Muppets ever produced, but they set my expectations too high- I was actually hoping they'd be able to get the color of Gonzo's nose right instead of using the same pale blue that has bee used incorrectly for as long as I can remember...

    My mind blames this color on the Muppet Babies... but I'm sure it pre-dates them. :(

    Ken, why Does Henson insist on using that blue? We all read about the animal and Floyd color disagreements - surely there was a Gonzo's nose argument somewhere...

    Still, Fozzie is just about the only toy I've ever seen that has actually looked exactly like Fozzie. Well done.

    - Derek
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Palisades' Gonzo nose shouldn't be all blue from what they have reported. Do you actually have it or are you speaking of this from second hand knowlege?

    It's supposed to be a mix of several colors. I could be wrong about the final version, but I don't think so. Still looks a little more blue than it's supposed to be, but still pretty darn good IMHO. I have also had issues with the overly blue nosed Gonzo representations over the past 25 years.
  19. Gonzo

    Gonzo Active Member

    I've come to accept the blue-nosed Gonzo, even though I know that "in real life" it's not quite like that. Just getting the shape right when you're drawing/sculpting it is tricky enough, let alone COLORING....

    I didn't know there was going to be a test!

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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I meant in the movie, when he was in the "Ny-exceptionally safe little boat." I saw his feet and said to my self, WHAT THE...? Cause we all know that we rarely seen Muppets from the waiste down!

    I just wondered from the picture if he's going to be a little wobbly when he stands up!


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