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The Muppets 2011 DVD details

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by muppetlover123, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    All the complaining in the world isn't going to change the Techno- Sneetch culture who thumb their stars upon thars up everyone else's noses. It's all about how fast and how high def things are.

    I'm going to have to break down and buy a disk I can't watch in hopes that some day I'll be able to watch it. And all this does is turn off those who don't have Blu and will now not buy the DVD. And that's going to be a big hit to the Muppets when they need to sell even more copies than movie tickets to continue to dominate. This hurts the lower end fans AND the franchise, all while supporting a minority of Techno-Sneetches who actually care to see something in higher quality.

    I really wish Disney was above this, and just could at least put half the features on the standard copy. Like I said, who wouldn't want to see more movie? To hold that footage hostage to sell higher end gadgetry is a weaselly thing to do. I'm glad SOPA didn't pass. For all this politicking and pandering every entertainment studio deserves to lose money.
  2. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I'd like to know why companies are too dense to realize that instead of encouraging people to buy the more expensive option, like they seem to believe, it just turns people off from buying it all together. And yet they wonder why they lose money :smirk:
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Anything I could tell you would be conspiracy theory... but my guess is this...

    The general public probably doesn't buy that many Blu-Rays. When Borders was going under, the Blu-Ray DVD's were on clearance at a higher rate than regular DVDs, and yet they managed to move slower than the regular DVD's. That is circumstantial evidence, and I don't see it proven in any other way... but what I can safely hypothesize is that many families are just fine with their standard DVD players and regular TV's. Many of them just don't want or can't afford the huge new system to watch the same movies and TV shows in just a higher quality (which you can't notice unless you have an expensive television). Given the fact it's also a new, expensive technology, it's going to take years for that mainstream jump... and once everyone's on board, the digital download will be king, and most of these families will be stuck with 80 dollar paperweights.

    This leads me to believe the only reason why studios are focusing on Blu-Ray (this is ONLY piecing together shreds of evidence) because they sunk so much of an investment on the premium format. So, they're trying to force people onto the new system by withholding special features as Blu exclusives.

    Also, let's add in the Netflix and Red Box factor. Because DVD's are being made so cheaply and hastily as a result, the money for DVD's is now in rentals. So now, they basically toss out crummy copies for Red Box and Netflix, and inadvertently screwing the consumer who actually wants to own DVD's. Even though, they spent money making the special features anyway, and the only money saved would have been backward conversion to a lower quality (which shouldn't cost all that much if anything).

    So it's basically consumer bullying. It's losing them a LOT of money... new titles are quickly thrown into the bargain bin in a matter of months as a result (except Disney that is). In short, it benefits no one except those who want the latest gadgets.
  4. DarthGonzo

    DarthGonzo Well-Known Member

    You know, it doesn't cost THAT much to buy a blu-ray player these days...
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  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yes, but it's also needing a high quality TV system with a high quality sound system for it to make a difference. That's all about choice. If people want to make every movie they watch an "experience," fine. I HAD my experience... I went to an actual theater and had an audience reaction. That's worth all the 780dpi pixles in the world.

    Plus, I'm happy enough with my standard player. Why would I need to switch a player I got just last year to replace one that I had for 6 that just stopped working because of some bells and whistles that only work if I have a couple thousand dollars worth of home entertainment system? I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

    Again, this isn't "DUDE! Like totally go out and get a Blu-Ray." This is all about withholding special features to force people on a premium system that's going to be obsolete in a few year anyway. A sneaky, and underhanded tactic that robs half the Muppet fans of what they were excited for. I, like many others, don't want to have to go out and buy a 100 dollar new player to watch the deleted scenes that should come with EVERY copy, regular or collectors edition.
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  6. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Um... yeah, not trying to rude here but you don't need a HDTV for a Blu-ray player. It will play A-OK on a standard definition television and some Blu-ray players come with sound speakers in order to help it reach it's full potential. I know my dad won a Blu-ray player in a radio contest and he hooked it up to a 12-year old big-screen standard TV and it works great. Just throwing it out there.
  7. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Do they sell portable Blu-Ray players?
  8. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    I've seen portable Blu-Ray players at my local Sam's Club so I guess you could be able to find them in any store if you ask and look around enough.
  9. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    The point is not that it doesnt work. It is that you NEED a Hi Def TV for you to actually see the hi def. A Blu ray will look like standard def if displayed on a standard def tv. Therefore, you are essentially paying more for a viewing experience that would be equal to a standard def dvd.

    why the **** are we still arguing about bleeping blu ray players anyway?
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  10. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Umm... becuase we are P.O.ed that there are only bonus features on the Blu-Ray and not the DVD.
  11. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    My point is that it will still play regardless. If you can't have high def, you can't have high def. That's just the way it is. But just because you don't have an HD TV doesn't mean you can't have a Blu-ray player.
  12. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I get that. Its why the **** are the people who own blu ray players shoving it down everyone else's throats about how great they are.


    Read my reply again. Pay close attention to the fourth sentence
  13. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    OK, I get what you are saying now. But I digress.

    I'm done with this thread. I'm trying to look at the glass half-full but there's more negativity here than there is at the DMV. If you don't want the movie without deleted scenes on the DVD, don't buy it then. That's all I have to say, see you around in other threads, everyone.
  14. Stulz

    Stulz Well-Known Member

    Just to throw some fuel on this fire, I thought I'd mention that I pretty much ONLY use my PS3 for movies. Mine has a bad fan which can get annoying, but by friend uses his PS3 for both movies and games and his is just fine.
  15. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Please direct all fuel and hatred to http://www.muppetcentral.com/forum/posts/862216/

    :D Really, I just wanted to rant, but at the same time I wanted to get the ranting and arguing out of this thread and leave it to be what it is meant for, discussing CIVILLY the bonus features
  16. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Yeah they do! I seen them at target...and quite reasonable price too!
  17. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Clicked "Like" to your post...and yeah I'm with ya on the "I'm done with this thread. I'm trying to look at the glass half-full but there's more negativity here than there is at the DMV"....I just HAD to throw that out there!!!
  18. Farron

    Farron Active Member

    It seems the releases would be the same. The Wocka Wocka pack I believe just has some additional code to download audio files, and different packaging explaining it is such.

    That would take many years for high speed connections to be suitable all around the world and cheap enough to be connected to every home.

    Even then I'd still hope for and use blu-ray (or DVD or whatever the next thing is, though many suspect Blu ray is the last) releases as it is physical format. Something to hold on to and look at. Rather than just some file sitting inside a machine. It's the same thing with itunes and so on. Sure the music is there available to download but I just go and purchase the CDs so I can have something physical, with lyrics, artwork, CD, case, etc and I'll then burn/rip it on my computer to transfer to my ipod, if I wish to put it on there.
  19. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    What you really need for that situation is for bandwidth to be unlimited for everyone. Many companies have a cap and if you go over you get charged for it. I'm sure there are unlimited plans, but where I live, no company that provides unlimted
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm done too. Clearly asking from sympathy from owners of this premium format is like asking Sneakers O'Toole to take off his sneakers.

    We get that you have the premium format. Please respect the fact that those without it feel completely left behind by in bed studio politics that lead to this decision. This is not a war between those with Blu-Ray and those who don't, but rather an annoyed sigh let out of anger by a lackluster, not worth the money DVD. That's not glass half empty, it's the annoyed face palm of the consumer.

    And even if I DID have a shiney hiney Blu-Ray gizmo (again, an awkward third step in obsolescence), I'd agree this is just a terrible policy that's going to hurt the all important DVD sales. And if it hurts DVD sales Disney will just go back to Princesses and Cars. And we don't want that to happen, do we?

    We deserve better than a cheap blooper reel. We should ALL be able to agree to that. If you were all excluded from something and you complained, I'd be on your side.
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