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Tinseltown News

Discussion in 'Henson Alternative' started by Barry Lee, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. ChickyBoy37

    ChickyBoy37 Well-Known Member

    Samson Sounds somewhat Similar between Kermit and Scooter while Bobby sounds like a mix Between Pepe and Gonzo.
  2. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    yea you can really hear Pepes laugh in the show.
  3. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Active Member

    Wait a minute! Amish can't have computers, you get off here right now! haha
    Just kidding but seriously it's only a puppet show no reason to get all bent out of shape over a fictional character that some MAN wrote to be a certain way to stereo type typical MALE actions.
    Yeah I was thinking the same thing sounds like snotty hollywood Kermit.
  4. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    If just looking at another girl was cheating then i think Jesus is going to have a lot of people to save, including many christians. My point is, Jesus view was of a very different world a long time ago, times have changed, and you probably need to put his actual message into context a bit rather than hanging on each and every word.

    I watched the show and absolutelty loved it - and i didn't really think they were trying to send out any pro-homosexuality message, as opposed to just spoofing life of a funny couple in Hollywood (where a large percentage of these showbiz types ARE gay). Jim Henson, who also performed adult orientated puppetry and had a somewhat alternative lifestyle himself, wasn't noted to be particularly fond of his puppets being used to make political or politically correct points. That's why i also find the Sesame war stuff a little hard to stomach at first, though i can see the comfort kids get out of seeing Elmo explain things to them, and its been done very well. So i'm glad Tinseltown is more about getting laughs than having any kind of agenda.
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Hey, if my fella wants me to wash his bike shirtless, just get me the hose! I have a gym membership and I use it. My guy tends to most appreciative of that. Just have to be careful that nobody directly into the blinding pasty whiteness that is me. :eek:

    I agree that this show is more of a spoof a particular type of Hollywood couple. Not everything needs to be an endorsement or a condemntation for that matter. :p

    If the Samson character made a habit of going to this carwash and keeping it from Bobby that, to me, is what would be wrong. :smirk:
  6. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Active Member

    I'm pretty sure from the start though in the information about this show that it states that he is co-dependent and that their relationship is on the rocks.
    haha and that's funny I'm a whitey mc whitey myself funny us both being in Cali.
  7. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    The wrong thing is not taking Bobby along to enjoy the view. He definitely seems up for a party! It's interesting that Bobby's assistant is Samson's ex-wife or something, lol.

    I REALLY like this show, it needs to be on a major network. Best thing Henson have done since VMX, maybe even before that.
  8. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    The reason Bobby didn't stop worrying about himself when he entered the kitched is because he is very self-absorbed (and was also slightly drunk).

    I don't think Samson’s actions at the carwash was cheating. Not the most faithful move, but not cheating. Practically every sitcom has had those episodes where a guy is caught by his wife/girlfriend looking at an attractive waitress, or he’ll get himself in trouble from buying some needless item because its was being sold an attractive saleswoman, or he’ll puts his foot in him mouth by making some comment about an attractive woman, or he’ll get caught checking some other woman out, or his take to a bachelor party or he’ll wind up in some other innocently treacherous (and comical) situations with another woman --- in fact I think that’s pretty much the entire Nick-@-Nite line up right now. The only difference here is instead of a straight couple having an imperfect relationship (with the occasionally wondering eye) here you have a gay bull and pig with the same kind of dysfunction.

    Bobby and Samson (and the human co-stars of Tinseltown) are not exactly what I would call perfect “role-models”. They are dysfunctional and flawed characters. They are, at times, over the top and out of control. They aren’t trying to set a good example here – the characters are raw and flawed – and that’s where a lot of the comedy comes fun. Plus how fun are clean-cut, conflict-free and unflawed characters to watch anyway? ;)
  9. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Some thoughts...

    Someone here said that pilots are tough (I think it may have been Jamie, I don’t feel like going back to check now) – but I agree. Look at the first episode of almost any show, they are usually rough around the edges. And Muppet shows often take a few until they really hit their stride. But I really think there is a lot of potential with the series and these characters. I enjoyed the pilot and I'm hungry to see more. The pilot is a bit rough around the edges but I can really see these characters and this world provided a lot of fun for viewers. It was pretty decent for a 10-minute pilot, the characters are great (even if we only saw the briefly) and puppetry was very well done. It shows off the characters and style while providing a simple and comical story. I love seeing puppets out in the real world, so this was a real treat. There were some great bits. I really wish this would become a full 30-minute series so they could expand and better develop the characters and world. But even at 10-minutes, there is a lot of fun to be had with this.

    There is so much potential for great episodes and situations – I’d love to see Bobby in an audition, or maybe Samson and Bobby get called in for a parent-teacher conference at Foster’s school. Or Bobby goes to the gym to get back in shape (and physical comedy ensues), or Bobby and Samson celebrate their anniversary (and some kind of comedy ensues), or maybe Bobby goes on a talk show but overindulges backstage beforehand and is just a little bit smashed on the air (and thus comedy ensues). Or maybe Bobby or Samson’s parents (or some other family members) visit the couple (hey an excuse for more puppets!).

    There’s a lot you can do with these characters and this premise. The syntax and form of the fly-on-the-wall reality-TV genre gives this show a loose and raw feel while somewhat lovingly mocking the celebrity-reality genre (take that Ozzy Osboune, Nick & Jessica, Flava-flav, "Peter Brady", Kathy Griffin and Hollywood Hulk Hogan). I really like the characters and can't wait to see them get more developed and fleshed out.

    After watching this pilot and listening to the interview on the Henson podcast, I’m ready to see more of these characters and see them expanded and enhanced as time goes on.

    Oh, and here's something to think about -- don't you think Samson would have been offended by Bobby dressing all in leather in the closing scene? I mean he is a bull afterall - you don't see Kermit ordering porkchops at dinner with Piggy, and Gonzo doesn't pop McNuggets infront of Camilla. Maybe it was synthtic leather.
  10. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    Wow! Actual thoughtful discussion of the show in the thread about the show. I don't think I've had to delete anything all day. :) Tinseltown may have a lot of potential that's yet to truly be tapped, but far more remarkably there may be hope for this thread.
  11. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Active Member

    I couldn't agree with you more Luke.
    Yes, It's quite nice when people mind their manners.
  12. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    A question about the characters...

    I haven't seen the pilot yet, but I've wondered, can/are these characters considered "Muppets" or are they something else, like "Henson Alternative characters"?

    Since Disney owns the regular Muppets (Kermit and the gang) would they swoop down and close production on Tinseltown? I could just hear some lame excuse from Diz like "the pig on your show looks too close to Howard Tubman". (Hey, this is the same company that's gone after day care centers, it could happen). Technically, Disney could even say something as ridiculous as "we have to shut down your production of X. Why? Well, that mop in the background looks to close to our copywrited character Bellereguard." Ridiculous? Absolutely! But I wouldn't put anything past Disney's lawyers.

    I'll watch the pilot when I get the chance. I just wondered how the legal stuff was handled in a production like this (same with "Puppet Up!") to keep the Mouse from interferring and to keep Brian and co. out of legal trouble when they use Muppet-style puppets.

    Convincing John
  13. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    I havent been able to get the podcast to play as an mp3, any idea how u do it?

    Have they only filmed the pilot, i thought this was the start of a series. :cry:
  14. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    As of right now, from what I've been able to gather, the series has been greenlit and picked up for future installments in the Alien Boot Camp block. So this is the start of a series! However I don't know if more episodes have actually been completed yet. The pilot was made a while back (last year I think) but now things should finally be moving forward. So more episodes are coming, I just don't think we'll be seeing them tomorrow. It is likely that new installments could start appearing regularly in just a few weeks (however if they don't have the scripts for them done yet, the current writers' strike could cause things to take longer to get on the air).
  15. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Ever since they updated Henson.com the on-site podcast is an fancy embedded media file and they no longer have a link or place to download an mp3 version of the podcast from the site (which is pretty annoying). The new audio player they have is skrewy and only it appears about 50% of the time for me (and on some computers it simply never loads, and I can't figure out way).

    I found the best way to get the podcast and listen to it is via iTunes.

    I really wish Henson would give us a direct-link to an mp3 (like they did before, and most "normal" podcasts do).
  16. abiraniriba

    abiraniriba New Member

    Very funny. Actually, the Amish may not have computers, but if I invited an Amish person over to my house. He would have no problems using my computer after I taught him how.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    quit it
  18. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    Okay, here we go again.

    Religion has become a hot button issue in this thread. There are other threads on the board where religion can be discussed among those who wish to participate. This thread is about a new Henson production. A little OT discussion is going to be okay but let's try to stay on topic and let's all try to avoid topics we know are going to cause problems. No need to fan the embers and restart the fire.

    What did everyone think of the human cast? Any stand outs (good or bad)?
  19. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    OK... After initial problems with the subject matter in this thread, I was pretty much letting Jamie be the one who towed the line in terms of responsability, letting us know when something crossed the line. But since apparently that can't keep going on, I ask one of the other moderators to please close or delete the thread. Shame that conversation on a Henson production has led to this. Furthermore, anybody else starting a separate thread to continue the redderic aspoused here previously will be dealt with accordingly. Sorry it's come to this and I apologize to the long-standing members of the forum who have had to go through such a trying ordeal.
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I vote no to thread closure.

    :attitude: This thread should not be closed or deleted just because of the fire (and brimstone) bombers.

    On a personal note: Muppet Central doesn't have a policy of closing threads because when any group continually harasses a minority. I never would have become a member, much less contributed so much time to all of the menus, smile icons, rebranding/logo design, numerous graphics and many other efforts without wanting anything in return. Man, I eagerly wanted to do so because MC was an inclusive place with members from around the world when I arrived here. It should remain so now.

    Best route would be to boot the troublemakers out of the thread, if not the forum. No member should be given the platform to spew such rude and viral filibusters. :attitude:

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