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Tinseltown News

Discussion in 'Henson Alternative' started by Barry Lee, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. matleo

    matleo Well-Known Member

    Kermit said a frog and pig couldn't work together. He never said anything about a bull and a pig. That's entirely different.

  2. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Well i guess Kermies not running the company anymore, lol ....

    Again this is a spoof on Hollywood. It's the brainchild of two straight guys, lol.

    I've seen some criticism elsewhere of the writing. I actually thought the writing was ok, and very current for todays popular styles but i can see how people used to other Muppet stuff might think otherwise. A few things were a bit rough around the edges here and there, but what they achieved was brilliant. The jokes come across fairly well in the skits, the character relationships are there and work well, the human and outdoor interactions work extrememly well, and the puppetry is excellent.
  3. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    You know, I've been thinking, with global warming and the loss of polar ice, it really isn't okay to toss Muppet penguins around. Arctitic penguins could be in serious jeoprardy in the very near future. It's wrong to suggest it is okay to do violence to an animal that could become endangered or lose its natural habitat. And what are children learning when they see animals tossed in the air? That it's okay to throw your friends around? I can't believe the Muppeteers can have been so insensitive. :zany:

    Could we all get a grip? They're puppets.
  4. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    *Launches awell-aimed penguin atAnnika. Hee-hee-hee.
  5. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

    First, the opinion expressed by Kermit do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Jim Henson Company or the company's writers. Kermit can feel interspecies relationships are bad, but that doesn't prevent other people at the Henson Company from endorcing them - that's just the opinion of one frog. I think Gonzo would be okay with a Chicken and a Whatever getting together, and Pepe has pushed for Human/Prawn relations on occassion as well. Plus ask Miss Piggy if she could see a frog and a pig together and she'd say that's the only kind of relationship that does work. But I'm not sure the writters at Henson are against any and all interspecies relationships (as long as they are puppets).

    Second, I don't think Kermit is totally against interspecies relationships eithre. I think he just goes on record making those kinds comments in hopes of being able to avoid (or at least cool off) one particular relationship. He's made a bunch of pig/frog statments in the past (check out his book "Before You Leap" and read up on the Amphibitarian party's platform). I think they are more to keep Piggy from taking things too fast.

    Kermit has made many such remarks to try to keep Piggy at bay - he wants to keep things professional and slow things down a bit. I don't think Henson is being hypocritical - while it is possible Kermit would tell Samson that a relationship with a pig has bad news all over it, I don't think the Henson Company is adverse to the idea of mixing up the species. But despite Kermit's feelings that frogs and pigs don't mix, Bobby and Samson seem happy and in love, and really that's all that matters.
  6. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Wow...this conversation sure went a long way since the last time I peeked in here.

    "Jesus said...etc..."

    Yes, he did. And that applies to those who follow him. I am one of those people, and, yes, I often break the rules. Who hasn't lusted? Honestly...Christianity is about being forgiven for that. However, that's totally off the topic...My point is, if you are going to take offence at Samson bringing the car-wash guy over for a closer look...I hope you also don't watch FRIENDS, or even TMS. Piggy has often made her male co-stars come over where she be for a closer tete-e-tete.

    Is it realy that much more offensive because it's gay? Not really...

    As for penguins...heavens, no, they should never be thrown!

    But to get back onto the show itself, I enjoyed the character introductions, with the words typed up on the screen They were funny, and whitty in a cute way. I think the son has a lot of potential. And I actually liked the ex-wife (X-wife? Sounds like she should have super powers...).
  7. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    All wives, X or otherwise, have super powers. It's a necessity.
  8. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well yes, but Christianity is also about not doing it again, hehe. But yes, I agree, forgiveness is extremely important. :)

    I don't know much about the show so I can't comment yet. I don't object to the homosexual theme, that's ok with me. But I'm skeptical as to whether the humor is actually "edgy" or rather "immature."

    ::shrugs:: Like I said, I'd have to see it, then I can continue talking as though I know what I'm talking about. Lol ;)
  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I would say neither, its just alternative comedy.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'd like a grasshopper, please!

    I agree. It will take some time to see exactly where they're going. I've seen shows with good pilots crash and burn and ones with luke (no pun intended) warm beginnings rise to the challenge later on.

    So now we know the characters, setting, premise etc. It's time for some comedy - both obvious and smart IMHO. :zany:

    And on the Kermit front - well, Kermit says a lot of things! Just because he's a Muppet frog doesn't mean he's not human. Well...anyway. I remember his "porn is fine" comment on the Late Late Show years ago. It was in reference to Snoop Dog's cut appearance in the NBC Christmas special due to Dog's current work in some blue movies. ;)

    The gist of what the amphibian said was that Snoop could do whatever projects he wanted, but it's not the sort of thing the Muppets want to align their fuzzy selves with. But it came out as "porn is fine!" One too many grasshoppers in the greenroom? :)
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well ok, but what does that mean in this case? (Not trying to sound rude, just asking you to expand). :)
  12. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I think it may be a term mainly used in the UK, but i believe it does have some American use as well. What i mean by alternative comedy is any kind of comedy that doesn't take the mainstream route. Satire, spoofs, improv, etc etc. Those kind of shows/acts often use adult humour but it can be to entertain or make comment, it doesn't always have to be edgy or shock. Henson seem to agree with the "Alternative" label since they are using it for the brand.

    I would give Monty Python as an example of alternative comedy, if you consider what else was around at the time.
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    You know, the more I think about it I wonder if the spontaneous "nipples" comment could have been a reference to several fans' objections to the Tin Thing's use of the word in Muppets Wizard of Oz? It's a stretch but ya never know. What's wrong with nipples - we all got 'em! I think it's part of the first X chromosome. Hmmm...chromosomes...:D
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That is a shame, I honestly think if Disney doesn't want to do anything with them, they should just sell them to another company. They probably won't right away, because just owning the Muppets is a benefit for them. (Though again, I don't think it's all their fault).
  15. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Wud u like to explain why they've just had Piggy on a promotional tour of the UK (their biggest market i believe) and she got booked on about six top shows over two weeks to promote the DVD's, and made the headlines in the biggest newspaper.

    I think they know Piggy merchandise doesnt sell well, and thats the main area they are focusing on right now so maybe what your friend is talking about, but i don't think overall she is unpopular more than any other Muppet. The Muppet brand is managed right now by the events division manager, she isn't Henson affiliated at all so yeah maybe she needs to go. The Muppets are an evergreen brand, and the presenters will obviously ask Kermit about Piggy because they grew up knowing that story, its the most obvious thing to ask and why they always do it.
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Huh? I see the point, but there is a long history of this...

    I think that might be a US thing. Piggy does tend to irritate the modern American audience more than she used to. I don't know why that is, but have noticed that in recent years. :mad:

    But all this doomsday about the Pig? I don't entirely buy into it. She has always been somewhat compartmentalized in projects (except Caper). Since the Muppet Show it seems that either it's just her in a project or she gets a special section. If Disney really doesn't like her they wouldn't have gambled with giving her the cover of The Muppet Show Season 2 DVD packaging. ;)

    Creating troubles with her and Kermit are legendary. Since Manhattan (where the relationship seemed to 'jump the shark') the writers have made efforts to distance the two. Makes for a better dynamic. Unrequited love is always more interesting. There was that Christmas special kiss. I suppose they're bouncing back into denial again.:)
  17. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

    I think, at times, Piggy's over-the-top self-absorbed diva personality makes it harder for audiences to connect with her. Kermit and her relationship has had its ups and downs - but Kermit's jokes and comments about distancing himself from the strong-willed pig is nothing new (even in the days of The Muppet Show it was like that).

    I agree with Jamie that The Muppets Take Manhattan took their relationship to a new level (and the effects of that are a whole other debate). And I don't think Disney hates Piggy - besides Kermit she has been the most visible Muppet in the past 3+ years; they've used her more than Fozzie or Gonzo or Pepe in terms of merchandising, publicity and public appearances.

    But back the the topic at hand - Tinseltown... I think - just like Kermit and Piggy, Romeo and Juliet, and Antony and Cleopatra - Bobby and Samson have had their own set of ups and downs as well. No couple is perfect 100% of the time.

    ...nipples. ;)
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    So I sifted through 3/4 of Alien Boot Camp and you're right, no Tinseltown. :sympathy: It doesn't make much sense to me because if it has wrapped - most of the episodes should already be edited. Does anyone know how many there will be? :confused:
  19. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I'm not a big fan of the Pig, she irritates the heck outa me sometimes and i've never seen the attraction of the character at all, but i can see why some people like her and the whole diva thing. She just HAMS it up a bit too much for me, she's ok in small doses. UK audiences may be a bit more tolerant, being used to over the top divas, hence Sharon Osbourne's current diva'ish "character" here judging a talent show. I find her more tolerable and funnier when she's around the other Muppets - like the MFS scenes which were so funny. I would LOVE to see Gonzo or Fozzie sent out more to do these promotional spots. We always get Kermit, occasionally Piggy, but rarely Gonzo/Fozzie. The exception was that morning interview a few months ago with Gonzo, Piggy and Rizzo and they were absolutely brilliant, as was Dave at that exhibition interview. These characters are amazing adlibbing and people still want to see them, they were absolutely on fire in that interview. It showed that the magic, warmth and personality of the characters is still there when left in the hands of the people it should be but every time they get in the writers, producers and Disney type business people they manage to mess things up every time! Rant over, lol! :grouchy:

    I know i've gone off topic, but yes Tinseltown just made me feel that a bit of the magic was back again. Albeit not officially Muppety but there was actually some warmth between the characters and they had personality, the look of the show was great, and it was one of the few Henson things that have actually made me laugh in recent years, although i know a lot of people don't get or appreciate them doing that kinda humour. I am loving this Henson Alternative brand, and if they can get the fantasy/sci fi brand going again with some nice projects, and get a hit kids show out there, and maybe even that Fraggle project if it works out then i don't see why Henson shouldn't regain the reputation they once had with the public. There is a lot of good stuff happening. Bill and Brian are excellent working together, and as with the other Muppet stuff i mentioned i think a lot of it is down to the actual people who have lived and breathed this kinda stuff for years being in control of it and not anyone else. :attitude: :zany:
  20. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    It doesn't make much sense to me because it looks quite complex and expensive to shoot so it would have suprised me if they only made one short pilot when they've made the puppets, got the actors, locations, crew. Surely they would have at least done a few of them together even if maybe they don't have the commitment yet from Logo to actually broadcast them.

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