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TMS Season 2 Box Set - 2007 Release?

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by MustangRockstar, Feb 9, 2006.

  1. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

  2. Dil

    Dil Guest

    Oh, boy....

    I can't believe it'll come out in Fall; not as long as I thought.
    Maybe it's because of trying to put the complete Muppet Valentine Special on the DVD, and/or make all the episodes complete..
    But I think a few episodes should be cut, and I'm serious. You've got to believe me, my friends, OK?
  3. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    Why are you so keen for Disney to make cuts? I can understand if there are some songs or sketches that you don't like, but that's no reason the rest of us shouldn't get to see them.
  4. MartyMuppets

    MartyMuppets Well-Known Member

    I agree with anathema. I do believe it's possible that some cuts may well have to be made for music licensing reasons, but never the less I will be immensely delighted if the episodes are in fact all complete and unedited.
  5. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Gee, I never thought I'd see someone who WANTS stuff to be cut. If you dont like a particular sketch THAT much, just fast foward through that part.
  6. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Well-Known Member

    NO :)
  7. Dil

    Dil Guest

    Oh, OK.
    Let's hope the 2nd Season Episodes are all complete.
    After all, the 1st Season of TMS is a whole lot different than the rest of the Seasons, and here's what was in the Season 1:

    *Fozzie's fur was darker
    *Gonzo's eyes were only sad
    *Floyd's eyes couldn't blink
    *Janice's voice is only different than what we know today
    *The Newsman's voice was sometimes lower and he sometimes didn't wear his glasses
    *The 1st Season DVD didn't include the 2nd Season theme
    *Some scenes had to be cut
    *Zoot spoke more
    *More At The Dance sketches
    *No Beaker
    *No Pigs in Space
    *Kermit had less-energetic introductions
    *Only 4 Kermit's beginning lines featured the word "Very"
    *Very less running gags on the Newflash sketches
    *In Veterinarian's Hospital, Dr. Bob was reffered to by the Announcer as an "Othipetic Sergeon", instead of a "Quack".
    *Miss Piggy sometimes had a different voice than Oz's voice for Piggy
    etc. etc.

    I guess I want the 2nd Season episodes complete, after all.
  8. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Well-Known Member

    YOU SHOULD! It's kinda weird someone wants it cut... why did you want it too be? :smirk:
  9. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    No reason why it should: it's nothing to do with Season One. The theme and opening titles changed for every season.

    And your point is? The show evolved, as all long-running shows do. Characters were dropped; new characters were introduced. Sketches were dropped, new ones took their place. Each season differed somewhat from the previous one(s); the changes between One and Two are the most noticeable for various reasons, but that's simply the nature of TV production.

    There is no reason to suppose that any of the Season Two shows will be cut in the forthcoming release; there is no reason to suppose that they won't, either. Anything that did or did not happen during production of the Season One box has no bearing on what will or will not happen during production of future sets. With one exception, all cuts in the S1 box were due to music clearance issues: either the rights were outside Disney's budget, or they were unavailable entirely. This does not mean that similar issues will arise with the music for S2, or that the costs of clearing the music will be in any way related to the costs of clearing S1.

    Speculation on what the boxset might or might not include is rather futile at the moment :) About the only thing one could say with any certainty is that the original endings of the shows are unlikely to be included, as they were excised from the master tapes in the 80s.

    Regarding your proposed website, there are a number of reasons why it's unlikely to happen:
    - cost: the amount of webspace and bandwidth required to host such a site does not come cheap.
    - time: while it's only a few minutes' worth of material, someone would have to spend time and effort digitising the tapes, preparing video clips in a format suitable for downloading or streaming, and then setting up a site to host them.
    - legality: in most jurisidictions, what you're proposing is illegal without permission from the rights holders concerned. Starting a site like this is just inviting trouble.
  10. Mickey Moose

    Mickey Moose Well-Known Member

    Check YouTube.com. I know I saw a few of the deleted scenes from the Season 1 DVD set posted there.
  11. Dil

    Dil Guest

    I know!

    The Muppet Show Season 2 would be issued along with the re-issued version of The Muppet Show Season 1.

    Disney, for the re-issued version, take some time now to buy the music rights and make it complete, even the pitch reel. You have millions of dollars, you know. Cancel the original version of the Season 1 DVD release COMPLETELY, and re-issue it along with The Season 2 DVD release with a different look on the box.. right?

    (I doubt it'll happen, but I wished it could.)
  12. MartyMuppets

    MartyMuppets Well-Known Member

    Dil. The way I understand it the cuts made to Season 1 were made because the songs in question were simply unavailable for rights purchase in the first place. It doesn't matter how much money Disney has. If the holders of a song rights refuses to sell there is nothing they can do about it.

    Yes it would be nice to have the entire thing complete but we must face facts and be content with what we are able to get.
  13. Dil

    Dil Guest

    Perhaps Disney would ask the people who owns the musics that were cut in the original DVD release to join them to make the re-release of the DVD version complete a Complete Season 1 Set and make all the Seasons complete.
  14. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    They said no the first time! What makes you think they'd change their minds just because you asked nicely?
  15. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Look, I know you want a complete release, but its not gonna happen. The people who own the songs said no, and they are probably not going to change their minds. Its not Disney's fault the owners didnt give them permission! It doesnt matter how much money disney has. Some people just refuse to sell, and Disney cannot control that
  16. Dil

    Dil Guest

    Wait, Here's a secret....

    Share! Disney would have SHARED the rights of the music with the people who owns the songs. That's right, all Disney's gotta do is SHARE.
  17. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    What are you talking about?
  18. Dil

    Dil Guest

    What I'm talking about is that if Disney & the other people who owns the edited songs could share the music licencing issues, they would both have the rights.
  19. anathema

    anathema Well-Known Member

    It doesn't work like that.
  20. MartyMuppets

    MartyMuppets Well-Known Member

    SIGH! You just don't wanna give up do you Dil?:rolleyes:

    When will you just face the facts? Disney will never be able to release season 1 fully uncut. Possibly none of the 5 seasons at all. Just enjoy what they can give us and quit chasing after pipe dreams.

    If you really want the complete versions of the edited episodes may I suggest trying for a tape trade deal in Buy, sell and trade section of the forum. That's what I want to try to do one of these days when I finish my other collections.

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