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What Disney Needs to do....

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Drtooth, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    well disney is working on something but it's hush hush it says so over @ the muppet news flash so I'm gonna stop saying they aren't doing anything because the Henson company even said they are working on something.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If they ARE doing something, it better not be another French TV show or unsellable pilot. Let's just say that.
  3. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    Well if Brian Henson says they are up to somethign really cool I'll take his word for it and leave it to that untill around late 2008 then I'm going back to my Disney isn't doing anything attitude.:D
  4. KermieBaby47

    KermieBaby47 Well-Known Member

    I completely forgot about Muppets TV in France. Have they done anything new? Or was it a one-season thing?
  5. Medbe Monster

    Medbe Monster Well-Known Member

    Disney needs to get the music rights and re-Release an Uncut version of Muppet Family Christmas, I'd love to see Disney to have Re-Runs of TMS, MB and The Muppets tonight. It seems like Disney isn't doing much for the Muppets, but they need to really try and pull off at least something that'll blow every Muppet Fans Mind.
  6. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    After going through some episodes of the muppet show, it seems my favorite moments don't really involve the main cast or even jokes. A lot of what I love involves generic muppets doing creative and artsy stuff such as Java, Mahnah Manah, Sax and Violence, Glow Worm, Hugga Wugga, and so on. To me, this is what Disney needs to start doing. They need to do skits like that that are abstract and fun and creative. They can throw them up on web sites or as shorts on the disney channel or go on talk shows and maybe SNL and do them. That will make the muppets cool again I think. It'll be new and fresh as opposed to the same jokes from Kermit. Nothing against Kermit, but how many frog jokes can there be that work on talk shows?
  7. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    yeah see I agree 100% mwaoO but that was more jim than the muppets really if that makes any sence.
    Those are my favorite moments also but watching the season sets I've gained allot of lvoe for the regular cast I've been slowly buying the time life dvd's also and as the seasons went on there wasnt as much of the artsy things people like us enjoy but it seems the regular cast really had something going.
    I'd love to see all the wacky aliens, monsters, random pigs chickens and whatevers again but I really don't see that happening again any time soon with Disneys Muppets.
    If you want things like that you're better off watching Puppet Up.
  8. Davina

    Davina Well-Known Member

    just my 2 cents about muppet babies.. I actually have 2 of the old VHS sets they released aeons ago... 2 episodes each... my 9 yr old step daughter loves watching them. There is an audience for them and it's not just a toddler demographic, either. I would really love to have more of them for her to watch. We've been watching them together since she was 4 and it was a great way for us to talk about ideas like sharing and meeting new people (Her mom moved to a different state shortly after her father and I were married and she was facing having to move and make all new friends, and that can be scary when you're 4..)
    And I've no idea where all these 12 yr olds are getting their money... over indulgent parents.. I certainly never had any money when I was 12.. and my 9 and 13 yr old step daughters certainly don't get big allowances..

    And we do not have cable, dish, direct tv.. etc.. none of it... just the plain ole local pick up on the antenna stations... And a good deal of what's on those are NOT ALLOWED programs, cuz we really don't need that stuff being piped into the house... We do, however, have a fairly decent video collection. We have been collecting the TV programs that we enjoyed growing up as they have become available on DVD, and have a bunch of others on old VHS's that really need replaced, but haven't been released yet (heh like every episode of MT! hehehe) all things Muppet, Dionsaurs, Fraggle, etc are a must have part of our collection.. along with things like Brisco County, B5, X-Files, Cowboy Bebop, history programs, stuff from PBS, etc etc...
    These are the things that get watched at our house. And we're not alone, I can name at least 3 other families in my neighborhood who are doing the same sort of thing.
    All of these companies need to start realizing that there is a huge underground in America that is NOT happy with what's offered on TV and that is reacting to it by simply turning it off (or limiting it to pre approved videos) and that little underground is growing pretty quickly as we all look around and see "what has become" of TV and our society and "kids today".
    There is a big difference between what is allowed at the girls' mom's house and what's allowed at ours.. and a big difference in their behaviours, too
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I couldn't agree with you more, but I don't think it's a decency issue about television, just a low quality issue all around. Our kids' shows now (with some exceptions) are slow, inane and all following the bad example of Dora the Explora and Blue's clues, trying to make a lifeless medium interactive. nothing wrong with having Elmo break the forth wall and talking to kids. But none of this talking really loud and slow trying to get kids to shout the answer back at the TV. This pretty much sums up how I feel

    And the "adult" shows that are just so terrible, I can't even single any out. Just for Laughs? It's like the televised equivillant of playing Peek a Boo with adults. And don't get me started on daytime television.

    There are a lot of us (myself especially) who are annoyed with the horrid quality of television. I just watch Simpsons, Family Guy, the Office, and Earl. Plus TMNT and The Batman. All the rest of it is the same CSI knockoff or something. It's frustraiting. Especially for those of us who want to work in this feild.
  10. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    It's true, we're so obsessed with new technology and flat screens etc, meanwhile content has been suffering for quite a few years now. I don't think this is the first time it's happened though. In the '50s everyone was obsessed with brand new TECHICOLOR. Meanwhile the movies were nothing, just throwaways (of course that was also because of the Communist witch hunt getting rid of half the artists, but that's another story!). Anyway, I think this is just another rut. Hopefully new blood will eventually start to come up and makes things better again. Of course I don't mean just sitting around and waiting for improvments. It's important to let companies know how you feel and maybe even concern developing ideas of your own. :)
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    You're right Heralde. Eventually it's a good story that wins audiences. It's not the monitor, how many lines-per-inch, computer wizardry or hip-factor. Stories and characters that reach a viewer - that's what entertainment is ultimately about.

    Now, I wouldn't turn down a nice HiDef flatscreen! :D
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's the problem. We were watching Channel DDD so long (by we, I mean TV viewers in general), we forgot that we need actual shows and not just hyped up reality contest nonsense. but that's what unfortunately makes money. When someone comes up with something new and unexpected... to put it as Fry said, "Clever things make people feel stupid, and unexpected stuff makes them scared."

    I want you to know, I'm using cartoon examples, because...well... not recently... but most cartoon shows actually have to have all these great brillaint references to things that just go over your head, until one day you find it out, and just cannot stop laughing. I call it the Bullwinkle factor. But "Adult" shows are moronic, formulaic and just plain.... I don't even know what to call it.

    "Just for Laughs" showed us how dumbed down a TV show can get. It's basically Peekaboo for Adults. None of it even garnered laughs... even :o is funnier.
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yes, people ask me why I still watch kid's shows sometimes. Well because they're so much better than most of the adult shows! For that reason, they have layers, and we can get all the jokes as adults. I have found a few modern cartoons that still manage to do this, thank goodness. :)
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    One of my favorites (and I derided this one a lot before I actually saw it) is Jimmy Neutron.. only because they have a very sneaky science reference in it. Goddard the dog is named after a scientist that discovered rocket fuel. Another episodes features a salesman robot called the "Loman 3000."

    Then the same company turns around and comes up with junk like Backyardigans and Wonderpets.... sad.

    The probelm is people settled into this stupor of accepting these terrible TV shows. Granted, there are well crafted things like Heroes and My name is Earl. Things that require a brain to watch. But then it's just slagged down with copies of stuff, the same old crap, and just nothing that good. Cartoons and regular shows, this is the worst season I've seen for TV in years.

    I almost can't blame Disney for having to put the spotlight on the Muppets by putting them in inferior shows (even though 2 of them they own).
  15. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Well-Known Member

    Not to be nitpicky, lol, but Technicolor really took off in the 1930s (although there are silent films from the 'teens and twenties that used a primitive form of what would eventually become Technicolor).

    The big movie crazes of the 1950s were Cinemascope (widescreen pictures) and 3-D. Both of these were in response to the ever-growing television boom, in which motion picture studios and exhibitors were very concerned that people would rather stay home and get their entertainment for free, rather than go out to the movies. Cinemascope promised larger-than-life images with a cast of thousands, and 3-D had the images on screen seemingly coming right at you.

    While some early Cinemascope movies are forgotten today, I think 3-D movies suffered much more over time. As you say, Heralde, most of these movies were throwaways, and are sort of annoying when viewed today (without the benefit of 3-D), when you see images constantly being hurled at the screen. There are probably only a handful of 3-D films that stand out today, because they were made with extra creativity, and don't overdo it with gimmicky, obvious tricks.

    House of Wax, Creature from the Black Lagoon and Phantom of the Rue Morgue (an interesting adaptation of Poe's "Murders in the Rue Morgue") can still be enjoyed. Probably the highest-profile filmmaker to attempt 3D was Alfred Hitchcock, whose Dial M for Murder utilized the gimmick, but very subtely, and only when absolutely necessary (the attempted murder of Grace Kelly and a pair of vicious-looking scissors is probably the most 3-D-like scene). But a great majority of 3-D films were cheaply made and shot quickly. They are mostly forgotten today. There were even a couple of Shemp-era Three Stooges shorts made for 3-D.

    But yeah, I agree that the obsession with new technology is causing a creative slump.
  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That is true, Technicolor did exist in the '30s, good point. I guess I was thinking of 1950s movies like Singing in the Rain, where they were really trying to show off the saturation of color.

    I definitely think there were some good '50s movies, don't get me wrong. But there are quite a few that just don't hold up for being too corny and silly (and not just 3Ds in my opinion, though they didn't hold up either lol). :)
  17. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Well-Known Member

    Well, that's another good point. Films such as Singin' in the Rain, An American in Paris, The Band Wagon, etc. offered bright, candy-colored images, complete with lavish numbers to contrast with the home viewer's flickering black and white televisions.:)
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I remember reading that in several textbooks, that '50s movies also suffered because of a new invention called Television. Why would people want to leave their houses? Hehe
  19. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets Well-Known Member

    I agrees with about Muppet Babies. My brother was watching an episode the other day and he was just like who was thins written for and who exactly was it wrying to target. No one in particular was the answer he came up with. It's clear that they we're just trying to entertain themselves and did what they found funny. Besides the rules that said you had to have so much educational content. That kind of flew out the window with other show like Garfield and it was just pure funny!
  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    If you want good movies from days gone by watch some of the old Marx's Brother's movies they are real good.

    Now Disney and the Muppets can and will work it just takes time.

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