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Your Thoughts: Authentic Animal Replica

Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by Phillip, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I agree with you. I love my Muppet posers!
  2. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    I think the mouth not being able to close and the eyelid issues should have at least knocked off a whole star. Also I don't think Jamie should have done a review after making alterations, no matter how small. Fluffing the hair is one thing, actually taking a black marker to the eyelids is another. It's like doing a review of an actual figure after you've added your own dry brushing. How can you accurately represent the product if you've changed it?
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    There were no multiple "alterationS". There was one minior one. All I did was swipe the brow rim with a marker and admitted to that. That process was simple and took all of about 25 seconds. If you think that negates my review than so be it. I disagree. That one portion is where I "drew the line" so to speak. He he.

    I thought about taking off an entire star for the articulation issues and actually did starting out, but so much other factors boosted the score back up. At the end of the review is a rating per factor. Every good and bad point are noted in the article.
  4. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I agree that the mouth error in production and the eye rim issue should (in my own opinion) have meant a whole star deducted, but it is the reviewers personal opinion, and there was quite a strong paragraph about that issue so star or no star it was well noted. It kinda read to me like if they want to charge the RRP they should have had at least had all those issues sorted during the initial factory QC process which i totally agree with. The fact is these could have been made without those flaws, and should have been, but they are still amazing items and well worth it as they have turned out.

    The thing about the eyebrow rim being painted over isn't really a big issue, its not like he had trimmed the hair and removed the tongue as well, and what he had done is clearly mentioned. If anything thats gonna help people see what can be done to easily sort the original fault, and along with the photos (which they really needed to have on that site) it gives a good representation of what this item actually looks like at its best. It's a very honest review, enthusiastic but constructive - without being overly in danger of being seen as "cheerleading" which then just looks like a PR thing. If anything it's gonna make people realise these are worth getting into even if they do need a little time spent on em to get em looking perfect.
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    That's what I really was going for. I was cautious about the rating and was back and forth 4-4.5 a bit, but after living with Animal for another week I stand by the 4.5 because he really is that good.

    I was possessed upon opening Animal. I went straight for the Sharpie. I couldn't help myself. It was like an out of body experience. It reminded me of the series one white arm plate issues with Palisades figures.
  6. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    Series three white arm plate issue.

    poor Zoot will never look right...
  7. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    To me the mouth error is so obvious and error and so easy to fix that it's just inexcusable. If thumb articulation was restricted that's a non-issue, but the mouth? Huge issue, I think. There is so much expression in the mouth of a puppet that having that restricted really throws off the quality. Plus the eyes are too far apart....

    I dunno. I like the replica, I really do, I'm just so disappointed with such glaring problems. I mean, how did they not notice the mouth issue? How did they not think to make the eyelid piece one piece instead of two?
  8. Ignohippo

    Ignohippo Well-Known Member

    I don't know. The mouth issue wouldn't have been an issue until the tongue was in place so it's very possible that the thickness of the tongue was a mistake too late in production to fix (see: the incredibly undersized Gaffer the Cat from Palisades as a great example).

    As for the rim on the eyelids, yeah that's pretty bad. How they chose to allow him to go into production like that I'll never know.

    As for the review, it's all subjective. I give Jamie a heck of a lot of credit for a really, really well written and thought out review. Personally, I'd give Animal's likeness a 3 out-of-the-box and maybe a 4 with alterations. I would recommend his purchase to anyone (I truly love him – in a completely non "I want to hump you leg" kinda way), but there a glaring mistakes in his likeness. Animal would almost certainly be one of the hardest Muppets to get right and it's a shame because he is so close that a perfect version could've been made without much more work:

    (A) The tongue issue. Cannot close his mouth without removing the tongue.
    (B) The lower jaw plate only being the size of his tongue, with no side to side movement. This could have been easily fixed with a wire inside his bottom lip.
    (C) The bags under his eyes are way too big.
    (D) Nose is too small.
    (E) His eyelid being made out of foam so there's no way to close his eyes or keep them completely open (c'mon, Fisher Price got this one right thirty years ago).
    (F) Oy, the hair! MR should've figured out a way for him to look decent without alterations by the customer. Even with alterations, his hair will never look quite like the real muppet. My Animal would've greatly benefitted from more feathers on the back of his head.
    (G) I firmly believe the upper jaw plate is at severely the wrong angle. It slopes down too much as it moves to the back of his head and should have been a bit closer to a right angle when compared to his eyes. He can look decent from the front but looks way off from the side. I think this and the hair are biggest keys to him not looking quite right.
    (H) The lack of the collar.

    I'm not too bothered by the two separate eyeballs. Many current pics of Animal show two distinct eyeballs. The pupil focus also isn't perfect, but it's close enough for me. They could have done a much worse job on pupil focus. I would change it, but I'm too afraid I'd mess up something that's pretty good as it is now.

    All of this said though, I still dig the **** out of him! I have to say, the fun of having him is getting him to look just the way you think he should. I've never felt like working with him was frustrating, annoying or a waste of time. The MR Kermit, to me, is as close to perfect as it gets – but the MR Animal is a lot more fun!
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Oh yeah. It was series three. That's about when I started to step aboard. ;)

    As for the eye placement mentioned - maybe I'm just getting used to him but it looks better every day.

    Out of the box Animal's likeness gets a 3 at best, but that's why I planned to wait. I really didn't do much to him - and only the eyebrow Sharpie seam in the pictures I took. He really can look great!
  10. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    LIAR I just did my Animals brow rim and it took almost 30 seconds! My language at that point turned the air blue - shame on you Frogboy4, shame on you:p
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm not committing to over 26 seconds and that it! Remember that it’s best to hold the marker with your fingers, not your toes! :D
  12. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    HA! Didn't use either, I'll leave the rest to your imagination:p I really enjoyed your review. It was really well written, honest and fair. BTW what did you do at Palisades? I really would be interested to know.
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    In cases like Uncle Deadly, I drew head-to-toe turnarounds of the character to be translated into the actionfigure. In cases like Gonzo I made photo quality turnaround alterations of the prototype in Phototshop and marked each change. I also did a little graphic design on Johnny's records and framed pictures as well as the Photoshop fabrication of Action Kermit for the box art. That's actually Kermit's head shot from Jim Henson: The Works book redressed with the action figure's heavily filtered hat and clothes. Here's a direct link to the article at Creatus Maximus about some unreleased Pepe work that I provided. And there's also a photograph of some of the first-round revisions.

    It was a lot of fun. I just kept bugging them about things and they professionally commissioned some work. If you ever wondered why the Tux Fozzie didn't look like the one on the box it's because that one only exists digitally, painted from my computer. The factory never got that right and it's haunted me ever since. If I ever unlock the files from my old hard drive this year I'll share a few images. He taught me that there's sometimes little you can do with factory problems except change factories when the contract expires. I am amazed a factory can replicate these photo puppets with such consistency!
  14. IgorPonweed

    IgorPonweed Well-Known Member

    I think I'll wait till Gonzo, or my hope that will probably never happen, Scooter.
  15. uppitymuppity

    uppitymuppity Well-Known Member

    Newby to the MR's

    I'm a new to this product line although I have all the Palisades stuff. Do you think Animal will be the most desired and go up the most in value because of his small production run and hefty price?

    I'm scared not to get Kermit first because it looks like he's running out and nervous not to get Animal first because of the production run. What to do?

  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'd get a Kermit first. I have a feeling Animal will be hanging around longer, but I could be wrong about that. Sure, you will probably be able to find both on Amazon and Ebay for some time to come, but since Kermit is technically "sold out" from the MR site, his price is likely to increase to that of Animal's current asking price. I also feel Animal might get marked down by vendors in the future. Just this one collector's perspective since you asked. They both are amazing, but Kermit is the coolest so far. I've got both. That's my Animal poser on Muppet Central's home page, but it took some fussing to get him that way. Ultimately (even if Gonzo has this reported sock-nose) I think these are all very much worth the investment for a Muppet fan. :concern:
  17. IgorPonweed

    IgorPonweed Well-Known Member

    I wish had enough money for kermit. :(
  18. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Hi folks, this is a GENUINE appeal. My cats have attacked Animal (I assume they just see him as a big red bird) and there are now some noticable bald spots. Can anyone tell me where I can get some replacement feathers from? I love him 2 bits and need to restore him to his former glory. Shaving the rest of his head is not an option!
  19. Ignohippo

    Ignohippo Well-Known Member

    ****, that's my worst nightmare! If they just pulled them out, you should be able to pop 'em back in. I was at an art store yesterday and saw some thin feathers that would work but they'd need to be dyed.

    Perhaps MR could still get some from the factory? I highly doubt it, but you never know.

    One of the guys here is a phenomenal puppet builder (I believe it's Keeermit) and his Animal has what looks to be the same feathers as the MR version. I would send him a PM. I'll try to find his email.
  20. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Ignohippo, some were pull out in clumps others were snapped off (the little b******s have also gotten through 4 pairs of ipod earphones in the last 6 months alone!

    I have seen some of Keeermits stuff and have to say he's one heck of a craftsman and his fabrications are second to none. I think I will pm him, I'm pretty desperate!

    Thanks again!

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