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Your Thoughts: Kermit and Miss Piggy on America's Got Talent

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Sep 1, 2009.

  1. muppets2 New Member

    yea your right jim is the real kermit but he is gone so we will have to get used to this kermit (unless steve comes back)
  2. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    What if something is wrong with Steve? Suppose he CAN'T come back?

    Would folks want a "Kermit Kompetition?" Like, it'd work like this:

    1. a panel of top Muppeteers make the final decision on who will be Kermit.
    (such as Berretta, Clash, Spinney and possibly even Whitmire.)

    2. Disney Management cannot arbitrarily select a puppeteer since they don't have the experience.

    3. Diz management must accept the decision of the Muppeteer panel.
  3. Luke Active Member

    ... and call it America's Next Muppet! :smirk:
  4. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    Or "America's Next Muppeteer."

    I think there should be understudies so we don't have a long spell if something DID happen to someone, but I would want the understudies to work directly with the performers. Like Vogel does with Spinney.
  5. Kynan Barker New Member

    As long as we're suggesting things that don't have the remotest chance of happening, then I vote for gold bricks to fall out of the sky.

    Someone else in this discussion brought up the example of the Futurama voice actors. How would your plan play out in that analogy?

    Fox executives: "Hey, we don't have the experience to cast voice talent. So we're handing over all casting decisions to the existing voice actors, and we agree in advance to abide by whatever decisions they make. Because even though we have to answer to the shareholders of our enormous multinational corporation, we only want what's best for the Futurama franchise. Therefore, when it comes to the future of our characters, we're happy to be out of the loop!"

    You're a smart guy, Kevin. And this is a major issue for the future of the Muppets. So is this outlandish hypothetical really the best, most thoughtful comment you have to offer?

    EDITED TO ADD:
    Kevin, I'm sorry for calling you out. It's not meant to be personal. But there's already so much craziness going on in these discussions. You're a moderator -- actually, a "super moderator," whatever that means. I just would have expected you to bring something substantial to the conversation.
  6. Super Scooter New Member

    Well, I think Kevin's just trying to lighten the mood a bit.

    I like the idea. Outlandish and unlikely, but I still like it. After all, Disney has already proven that they don't know how to recast a character like this. Why not let the Muppeteers decide?
  7. muppetsliveon Member

    Artie's kermit sounds like Jim's early Kermit.It will take him a while but he will catch up with jim. Hopefully not taking over permanently.
  8. Kynan Barker New Member

    Are you saying that to perform Kermit, you have to start out imitating Jim's first performances and work your way up to the present day? Because I don't want to wait another 50 years for Artie to "catch up."
  9. Daffyfan2003 Active Member

    Well, he might have a point. Matt Vogel's Big Bird often sounds a bit like Carroll Spinney's early version of Big Bird. So hopefully if the time comes for Carroll to retire and Matt takes over BB full time, his Big Bird voice might start to be closer to the one we know. So if Artie does take over as Kermit, he might be going along the same path. Just something to think about.
  10. heralde Well-Known Member

    Well I don't think there was much wrong with Jim's first performances. ;)
  11. Beauregard Well-Known Member

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  12. heralde Well-Known Member

    Well no offence guys, but we're criticizing this new guy's performance, make it clear you don't like it...and then he's compared to Jim's performance?

    And yet we hardly want to criticize Steve's performance at all (not saying we should). Just rather strange...::shrugs::
  13. Luke Active Member

    I can't tell a major difference between Jim and Steve. Sure the character is played in a slightly more extroverted way but other than that the personality and magic are there - it is Kermit. Same goes for Eric taking over Franks Muppets.

    The new performer, it just didn't feel like Kermit at all. Thats all i can say really ... felt like someone on Youtube doing an impression. No offence to them, i'm sure they did their best but it just wasn't believable.
  14. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Steve's performance has been discussed many times over the years here, but of course fans are going to greatly critique a guy who subbed for two performances over the actual puppeteer who has safeguarded the character for 19 years. (It's the 19 year thing.) ;)
  15. heralde Well-Known Member

    Oh it's OK to critique him, that's fine. But then saying "this guy is like an early Jim performance"? That's criticizing Jim Henson. I won't do that. ;)
  16. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I don't find that POV logical or the new faux Kermit performance to be Muppet-caliber that we're used to with any character.
  17. Kynan Barker New Member

    I think you're confusing multiple points of view here. I don't like Artie's performance, and I don't think Artie's performance is anything like Jim's, or Steve's.

    But as far as I can tell, the people who are saying that he's like Jim's early Kermit are doing so to try to defend Artie.

    Even if it were true, the argument doesn't make sense. If Dan Castallaneta had to be suddenly replaced as Homer Simpson, would these people suggest that his substitute should sound exactly like season 1 Homer? Or like I said before, that Eric Jacobson should base his Miss Piggy on Richard Hunt's voice?

    By that logic, the new voice of Mickey Mouse should actually be silent, like the "true" Mickey was the first time he appeared.
  18. SarahOnBway Member

    Now all I can see is Piggy singing Temptation on AGT and everyone in the audience having the same bewildered, slightly scared-for-their-lives reaction my little sister had when I showed her that episode of TMS after the S1 DVD came out.

    You smiled, luring me OOOOOOOOOOOOOON
    My heart was GOOOOOOOONE
    YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU were
    TEMPTAAAAAAAATIOOOOOOOOOOOOON


    Audience reactions:
    :confused:
    :eek:
    :o
  19. heralde Well-Known Member

    Ok that's fair, I shouldn't generalize. :)

    I don't think this guy was that bad. Yes the puppetry seemed beginner. No the voice wasn't perfect. But it some ways it was like hearing Jim again for me (and for others on the Internet that have commented). I grew up with Jim and that's Kermit for me. I'm not going to get that upset over a recast taking over from another recast.

    Of course, I have a lot of respect for Steve as a performer and hope he's OK.
  20. Gelfling Girl Active Member

    LOL. That was probably my favorite scene in the first season of TMS, and not just because it was Richard Hunt. :sing::mad:;)

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