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Your Thoughts: The Muppets' Wizard of Oz

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, May 20, 2005.

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What did you think of The Muppets' Wizard of Oz?

  1. Oz was great

    57 vote(s)
    23.2%
  2. Oz was good

    91 vote(s)
    37.0%
  3. Oz was disappointing

    64 vote(s)
    26.0%
  4. Oz was awful

    34 vote(s)
    13.8%

  1. She'd make a funny witch then, lol. I know the whole "sister" angle, it just bugged me they over-used Piggy and didn't take advantage of a few more of the minority female Muppets.
  2. And, uh, note to Henson:

    This is 2005, not 1984---lose the '80s ponytail on Janice! Jeez!

    If they can update Piggy's hair with every project, they can certainly update Janice's once...
  3. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I think they'd have a riot on their hands if they updated Janice!
  4. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    Jerry Nelson cameo?

    I'm probably wrong...but there's someone in the audience in the following photo that looks like Jerry Nelson. See Dave? Okay, there's Steve Whitmire to the right of him...and look at that guy in the cowboy hat in the front row...could it be? The beard doesn't look quite right, and maybe it's just wishful thinking but...

    Is this Jerry?

    http://mfiles.scarecroe.com/oz/images/ozshot01.jpg

    Convincing John
  5. Beebers

    Beebers New Member

    This was the worst waste of two hours in the history of mankind, and the saddest introduction of the Muppets to a new generation of small kids they could ever have come up with.

    Too much potty/body-part humor, lowest-common-denominator-humor, and current day reference humor, all of which says We just couldn't craft a real script here so why bother. Lazy, lazy writing. Insults the viewer and demeans the puppets.

    Tambor looked as if he was choking to death on the bad script, I don't blame him.

    Too much reference to Manolos, double-wides, J. Lo, on and on ad nauseum. This is a cardinal sin in screenwriting - when relied on excessively a film will never stand the test of time. They keep trying way too hard to be hip. And it bores.

    Puppets in pieces, Kermit's disembodied head on the ground, grotesque melting, gee, great way to turn on the little ones to the Muppets, oh yeah.

    Weirdly, Whitmire gave his best Kermit voicing ever in the worst Muppet production ever.

    What a sad, sad piece of trash.
  6. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    *sigh*

    It's sad that a movie this trashing is what brings everyone back to MC. Hello Beebers, it's been an eternity since we saw you last!
  7. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Active Member

    I'm really looking forward to seeing it--unfortunately, it's sitting on my Tivo in Iowa, and I'm 1000 miles away for another week. I'll have to avoid this discussion until then, but hopefully I'll see what you all have seen soon.

    :)
  8. Beebers

    Beebers New Member

    Hi Beau. (hugs)

    Also, ditto to everything beaker said on Page 5 of this thread. Beaker, "the Abu Ghraib of Muppet films", excellent and right on. What a total trainwreck.

    :grouchy:
  9. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Active Member

    The decapitation scene didn't bother me at all. Remember the original Oz film? Now those flying monkeys were scary.

    Neither did the "grotesque melting" bother me. In the original the witch melts there as well. Remember "I'm melting, I'm melting"? And I didn't think it was grotesque at all. It was actually done with humor. Miss Piggy at first thinks she is getting skinnier.

    All-in-all the movie was good. The Muppte Movie good? No. But I think as Muppet fanatics we all tend to nit-pick too much. To the general public who aren't so fanatical I think it came across as a success. I had friends and co-workers over to watch it who aren't generally Muppet fans ( :sympathy: ) and they thought it was very humorous and fun.
  10. Beebers

    Beebers New Member

    I know the Oz story well, have read the books, and seen the old Judy Garland version many times. The content is part of the reason I felt that Oz was a poor choice as a project for the Muppets, because you cannot tell the story without those scenes and references, melting, poppies and whatnot. It's a weird book to begin with.

    That said, this film exemplifies the willingness of writers and audiences to settle for low standards indeed.

    Creepy scenes aside, it is still a massively bad film.
  11. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    I loved every part of the speical. I can't nit pick and all because I loved all of it. I kind of wished the EM band had more lines but right now there trying to work that out. Don't put down anything just because of the book or the script. Ya'll (most of ya'll that is) should be asamed of yourself. The Muppets are back on TV and and we should apratie (yea yea I can't spell good) that they have been doing all this for us Muppet fans. What if there was no muppet stuff on the TV. I know that most of ya'll loved seeing all your favorite muppets and loved them to death but your putting it down because they didn't have enough of some characters or the script was just stupid. I hate to say this but I'll be buying all of the muppets stuff to come and don't care what other say. I'll be supporting the muppet all the way.
  12. That Announcer

    That Announcer New Member

    I... loved it. I think that it was truly better than the Garland version of WoO.

    I am in no way sad to say that Pepe had the best line here-
    "Whoa... what do these do, hokay?"
    "Oh, nothing. Those are my nipples."

    "....Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuu! I FEEL DIRTY HOKAY!"
  13. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Active Member

    You're right, it wasn't the greatest choice of stories to tell. But given that, I think they did a good job with it overall. The melting scene was less traumatic by making it humorous. The flying monkeys from the original that scared us were replaced by the motorcycle gang, etc.

    It did have some lazy writing in it that could have been better. Pepe belching and remarking "What? Did it smell?" for example. And there are things that could have been done much better. But for what it was, a low-budget movie for television on a Friday night it was good. I enjoyed it. I see it as just a beginning of an introduction of the Muppets back to the general public.

    I would like to see what they could or would do with an original script (not a remake like Wizard of Oz, Treasure Island, Christmas Carol, It's a Wonderful Life, etc.), a larger budget, and a movie that was targeted for the movie theaters. Perhaps this is just a beginning.
  14. ChellisPal

    ChellisPal Member

    Ernie, thank you so so much, you said everything I was thinking....
    It's enough to get people who arent Muppets fans into the Muppets, but when people like us start turning on them, what hope do they have. Sure the times of the classic 3 films, The Muppet Show, and Jim, Frank, Jerry and Richard are gone, but times change and no matter what griping we do about it thats not going to change. I know i'm not alone in saying that I grew up with the Muppets and they were always there for me, this is my favorite group of characters and I wont turn my back on them for better or worse. Positive feedback is what the mouse wants from this movie so they can begin a big relaunch of the characters, so imaginge what they must be thinking when they see us "Muppet Fans" bashing the first thing they do. We need to be supportive in this time of change for them other wise we're going to be destined to not having new Muppet stuff in our futures. Sure this was not the BEST Muppet project, but heck its a start. They gave us diehard fans so much in characters and references, so they know we are out here. I know some of you have your gripes about who spoke and was seen and who wasnt seen or talked, but again give them time. If we get this relaunch the way Disney wants to I am certain we will all eventually get what we want. We just need to throw them our support and be there for them. This is a rough time for Kermit and co. so dont give up on them....think of how many times you may have had a bad day and were cheered up by soething Muppetty, thats all I'm asking...
    Mike
  15. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member


    HERE, HERE... Well sayed MWoO, I suppourt you on this 100% :) *claps*
  16. amiki chan

    amiki chan Member

    I just thought I'd add my 2 cents as well. I personally feel that the only things that the Henson Company has put out that capture any of Jim Henson's magic are Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island.
    I gave Muppet Cristmas Carol the benefit of the doubt because it was the first thing they did after Mr. Henson passed away and it wasn't bad. I had to get used to a new voice for Kermit (Steve Whitmire) but he didn't do a bad job.
    Muppet Treasure Island was hilarious! I laughed at everything on that. The music the acting was pretty good and I still enjoy it to this day.
    A Very Merry muppet Christmas sucked. I watched it once and was so disgusted. My mother watched it with me and she doesn't even remember seeing so it's that bad. This new stuff Wizard of Oz was "iffy".
    Some funny lines some unneccessary ones too and I watched it because I still like the Muppets and want to give anything they come up with the benefit of the doubt but they aren't trying to entertain anyone. Just a bunch of stuff slapped together and they expect everyone to get excited about it. The fact that they're partnered with Disney really gets my goat. It was fair but I'm not buying it.
  17. Beebers

    Beebers New Member

    It is precisely love of the Muppets which makes me want to see them in better productions with good, sharp, witty scripts, and not just settle for anything that comes down the pike with them in it. It's painful to see them in substandard projects.
  18. TogetherAgain

    TogetherAgain Well-Known Member

    That kind of bothered me when I saw it. I mean I looked at it and said, "Miss Piggy can't be brunette. I'M brunette!" (I know, there's a major lack in thought process there...)
    symbolically, I don't really know what to make of that. I think right now they're just expirimenting with different styles for piggy, trying to se what really fits. I guess if they did it right, they could pull off piggy as a brunette, but the origianl style and the "real world/ south witch" style from oz are better. the brunette was just too flat and superficial looking.

    On another note, I'd like to add to and agree with what some people have already said: QUIT YOUR WHINING! Ernie81981, ChellisPal, MWoO, I'm on your side on this one. say lets alljust be glad e even HAVE the muppets anymore. I wasn't exactly aware of my surroundings when it happened, but I've read what other people say about it, and its my understanding that right after Jim died there was a lot of wondering if the muppets would die with him, or if Kermit would ever talk again, and guess what? The muppets are still here! Kermit still talks! And I think we should be grateful for that. I think that what the muppets need now is some loyal fans to support them no matter what. Because if they have that, and Disney can see that the muppets have all sorts of wonderful potential, then we'll keep getting the muppets, and they'll get better. So...
    I don't know, I'm out of steam now.
    Be Nice!
  19. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Active Member

    Sadly, not everybody shares our enthusiasm or love of the Muppets. If you ask many people to name a muppet they could probably name Kermit and Miss Piggy. That's it. So just about any project and all of the power of Disney's promotions that re-introduces the Muppets to the general public can't be viewed as a bad thing. It is silly for us to argue about things like "So-and-so's voice didn't sound like so-and-so" or "My favorite character didn't have many lines". John Q. Public doesn't know who does who's voice. All-in-all I think it was very entertaining.

    A journey of a thousand miles begins with a few small steps . . .
  20. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    One thing I was glad to see it that Fozzie is back with his group of friends. I think since we got back Fozzie I know somewhere down the line well get Dr. Teeth and Rowlf back to talking anytime now. Just give them time well see all of our favorites back with new speaking parts. I still loved MFS and Dr. Teeth talked once and that was it. It still made me happy to see him say anything. I was a little disapponted when I listen to the song on the cd and didn't hear any one singing but then when I saw Dr. Teeth say "Naptime" it was awsome to hear his voice. I can't wait for more Muppets stuff to come. I want it now!


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