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Battle Within: The Spider-Man 3 Thread (Spoilers Ahead!)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by muppetwriter, Jan 19, 2007.

  1. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    Oh my God, a Celine Dion/Ursula movie!...

    I would die!
  2. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    It's not a wake up call for Sony at all.

    It made 60 million in it's second week out! Most movies don;'t make that it their first week out. It made over 100 million world wide in it second weekend out in one week end. It's make over 600 million in just two weeks and it's already the 30th biggest movie of all time! I would consider that more then pretty good!:) It's beyond industry expectation! It's broken every record a movie could ever break. It's made way beyond it's over 200 million budget! add in all the merchandise and tie inns and there is no alarm for Sony at all.

    28 weeks later only made 10 million and came no where near spider-man in comparison and had nothing on in party due to the fact that movie goers were watching spider-man instead!

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
  3. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    As do I, man. As do I!
  4. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Member

    I just saw Spidey 3 last night. I'm not a comic book kid and I came to the first movie way back when just because everyone was talking about it and I figured I had to see it. I liked it, but wasn't that thrilled. Then a group of friends dragged me to see Spider-Man 2 opening weekend and OMG, I LOVED it! Obviously it was a phenomenal movie, but I was just floored by how good it was. So anyway, I was really looking forward to seeing SM3 and I had made plans to see it with my sister when I came home post-graduation this weekend, but she cancelled on me (booo Caitlin) and so I called up my cousin Brian and we went out to the mall and movie last night.

    I enjoyed it, but let me say... Well, let's start with the good parts: I loved Peter dealing with his dark side, especially the scene when he was fighting Harry. Speaking of which, I LOVED Harry and all his development and--


    ***SPOILER***


    I was really, really devestated when he died. Terribly. He was the most captivating actor in the entire movie and the 4th one that they're talking about now will really be lacking something major without him.


    ***END SPOILER***

    I thought Topher Grace did a great job being a jerk. He's always the good, cutesy guy, and I just really disliked him for the first half of the movie, and was psyched when Peter revealed his cheat. But when he saw Gwen and Peter on the way to the jazz club and his face just looked so sad... My heart went out for him. And I liked Gwen, which I didn't think I would, because Bryce Dallas Howard just... annoys me. But I really liked her and she looked stunning!

    And the fight scenes. Awes.

    Things I didn't like:
    • The dance sequence. *shudder*
    • Peter happy. It was boring. It's no wonder that movies/TVs keep the couples apart--it really is just wicked boring when they're happy. I prolly rolled my eyes 30 times at the screen for the first idk hour when Peter was walking around in La La Land.
    • Mary Jane. I don't know if it's Kirsten Dunst or MJ herself, but I just can't like this chic. Throughout every single movie, she's my biggest problem. I really didn't care for her at. All. I was totally rooting for Peter/Gwen.
    • The dance sequence.
    • MJ's Broadway show. What was that? Is she on Broadway in the year 1920? Was that a Gershwin show? It was wrong, wrong, WRONG! And if Kirsten Dunst wasn't Kirsten Dunst, her voice would never get her to a jazz club, let along Broadway. Thin? Very. Annoying? Even more.
    • The break up scene on the bridge. *Rolls eyes*
    • The dance sequence.
    Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie. And contrary to what critics were saying, I never had any problem following the story line. The individual villians definitely weren't given enough time on screen because there were three of them (potentially four if you separate Venom from Eddie Brock), but I was entertained and, like I said, the fight scenes were phenomenal. I jumped out of my seat a few good times and gasped aloud even more.

    So yeah. There are my thoughts. :)
  5. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    So...what did you think of the dance sequence? I don't think you mentioned it:D

    I know a lot of people don't share this with me (especially my friends, who can't stand him), but I think Harry was one of the more interesting and intriguing characters in Spidey 1 and 2. I really enjoyed his character development, from being Peter's friend and protector to rival for MJ's affections to a young man torn between his loyalty to his friend and avenging his father. I think Franco was perfect for the role.

    I like Topher Grace, too, and I'll be interested in seeing him playing a bad guy.

    I'm not a Kirsten Dunst fan. There was controversy when she was cast in the first film, and I guess some fans still haven't warmed to her. Some say Bryce would have made a better MJ, but I don't think I've ever seen her in anything, so I can't judge. I love character development in movies--even action movies--but I thought most of the Peter/MJ scenes in the first two movies caused them to grind to a screeching halt. I don't know what it is...I just don't find Kirsten Dunst that appealing.

    Now Ursula, on the other hand...:flirt:

    Speaking of Ms. Dunst, apparently Debbie Harry hand-picked her to star in a biopic based on her life.

    Oh, and what did you think of the dance scene?;)
  6. muppetwriter

    muppetwriter Active Member

    Going off-topic again, but there's a cool new commercial from Dodge that advertises the Fantasticar from Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. It's really cool, and I can't wait to see it in action in the movie.:)

    Fantasticar Commercial from Dodge
  7. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    It's Kirsten Dunst for me. I've never really been a fan. What's weird is that I want to be. I don't even find her all that attractive. It's that she's in so many movies that I figure she must be doing something right. The closest she's gotten to a unique role was in Marie Antoinette... and I kinda hated that flick, although it had more to do with Sofia Coppolla than anything.

    Mary Jane is a fabulous character who should have been played by Bryce Dallas Howard from the start.
  8. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, guys, we need to get to work on pitching the Ursula movie!
  9. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Ok, I have a question. It's not Spiderman, but it's X-men...so that kinda counts. :p

    In X3, Magento lifts Wovlerine into the air and flings him through the forest...later on, Wolverine walks up to Jean against all her attempts to move him. Why couldn't she just throw him the way Mag did?
  10. crazed gonzo fa

    crazed gonzo fa Active Member

    Here's some ideas:
    1) She probably wanted to dissentergrate him.
    2) The "good" part of her was holding herself back.
  11. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    Yes! We must send our letters and petitions to Sony forthwith!
  12. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    Off topic, but superhero related...

    I heard this morning that Scarecrow (played again by Cillian Murphy) may join the Joker in The Dark Knight. It is speculated he might help the Joker concoct the Clown Prince's Joker toxin.
  13. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Member

    I agree, I think that Harry had great development throughout all three movies and James Franco was just perfect in every one. Even though Harry has everything anyone could ever want, your heart still breaks when he's tormented over X or Y.

    Aggred. Definitely, definitely agreed.
  14. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    I think Franco is a great actor, period. I never saw him on Freaks & Geeks. I first became aware of him when he played James Dean in a made-for-cable movie a few years ago (it aired on TNT). He was uncanny as Dean and gave an excellent performance. That was about a year before the first Spidey film came out.

    I already know how everything turns out, but does the ending of the film bring a satisfactory conclusion to the Peter/Harry/MJ saga?

    And I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, but Kirsten Dunst...her MJ just annoys me. She's too whiny and self-absorbed. I think she is ultimately more damaging to Peter/Spider-man than the Green Goblin/Doc Ock/Sandman and Venom combined!

    And if her voice is thin, and if she is playing Debbie Harry, I sincerely hope she either lyp-synchs to the real Debbie, or someone who sounds very much like her.
  15. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    Marie Antoinette gave me a headache. This was one of those cases where the trailer was better than the movie. This makes two films now that Dunst and Coppola have made together (and Sofia's currently made three features).

    And while I like the idea of Bryce as MJ, was she even doing film in 2000/2001, when the first one was in production? She would have been a total unknown, and I don't think Sony would risk casting an unknown in such a major role in a potential franchise they had been trying to get off the ground for years. Whereas Dunst already had a string of bankable films, from Interview with the Vampire to Jumanji to Bring It On to a serious role in The Virgin Suicides, directed by Sofia Coppola.
  16. dabauckham

    dabauckham Member

    I'm in agreement with many of you about Kirsten Dunst - a bit whiney, definitely not the most attractive person to play the part. I know this is a somewhat controversial statement, but I once found her on a list of people that Hollywood expects us (the viewers) to find hot just because she's white. LOL!

    But another problem (for me) with Mary Jane in the movies is that she is NOTHING like the original comic book depiction, in which MJ is funnier, sassier, foxier, and frankly, more empowered. She's also vulnerable, but she protects herself with her extroverted veneer, which I think makes for much more interesting characterization than the MJ in the movie. Conclusion: the original comic depiction of MJ blows the movie depiction out of the water.

    I too have always liked Harry. There was an awesome story in Spectacular Spider-Man several years ago called "The Child Within" which dealt with Harry's tortured pysche and transformation into the Green Goblin. It was really well-written, much better than a lot of the current Spidey comics. All those scenes where Harry is talking to Norman in the mirror (from the second and third movies) are taken directly from this story-line, except that Peter Parker/Spider-Man also appears as a ghost in the comic, which adds to Norman's torment. It's really, really, REALLY interesting. And I agree that Franco did a great job in the role.

    Winslow, to answer your question (is the resolution w. Harry/Peter satisfying?), my opinion is... not entirely, but mostly. This is mainly due to the quick slapped on info from Harry's butler about his father and Spiderman, which, if you think about it, doesn't really make sense. I'll elaborate below

    ***SPOILERS****

    Harry's butler tells him that Green Goblin was killed by his own glider (due to the nature of the death wound, which he examined), which expnerates Spidey from killing him. But...that doesn't actually prove anything, does it? I mean, who's to say that Spiderman couldn't have killed him with his own weapon? I thought that was all a bit rushed and pat. That said, it was still cool to see the two of them forming an alliance finally. Though it some ways, it would have been much more interesting if Harry had stayed alive and we had seen how his relationship and Peter's had grown (or not grown).

    **END SPOLERS***

    Okay, I'll quit yakking. Let's keep working on that Ursula movie, gang! ;)
  17. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    What? That "white" comment is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard!

    Agreed. The feisty MJ of the comics is represented poorly on screen.

    So I take it Willem Dafoe makes another cameo in pt. 3?

    I have heard negative, critical comments all over the web about the butler scene. It appears to be somewhat controversial. I love the scene in part 2 towards the end, where Harry finds out the secret of his father. When I first saw it, this scene gave me chills, and left me wondering just what he was going to do with Norman's "secret," and the effect it would have on his relationship with Peter. I think the movie should have ended right there, with Harry brooding and tormented, instead of the one that was ultimately used, with MJ running out of her wedding. It would have been a much more powerful finale, IMHO.
  18. dabauckham

    dabauckham Member

    I agree with all of that wholeheartedly! That scene with Harry finding out about his father was chilling, and well told. To be honest, I find the whole Harry/Green Goblin thing to be much more interesting and developed than the original Norman/Green Goblin. I just really hope that they never bring the original Green Goblin back from the dead the way they did in the comic. I mean, the guy DIED in the first movie. The way the comic brought him back seemed cheap and a lame excuse to try and sell more comics, which just don't sell the way they used to.
  19. dabauckham

    dabauckham Member

    Yeah, it is kinda odd, but someone put it out there! I'm not sure of the original source, but I believe it was some pop-culture magazine.

    You betcha. And not to obsess, but I do think they make some interesting pyschological choices with Harry in the middle of the third movie. You'll see what I mean when you see it...
  20. SarahOnBway

    SarahOnBway Member

    Yeah, Willem Dafoe has a little cameo, not as grand as his last one, but he appears in the mirror again. Oh, and you know how the opening credits of the 2nd movie summed up the first one in comic book form? (I love how they did that.) Well, the third one retells both movies in the opening credits through clips and his "Avenge me!" is there as well.

    Yeah, I rolled my eyes at the butler scene. I just don't get it. It's stupid.

    And as to if the end of the movie wrapped up the Peter/MJ/Harry storyline well... I'm gonna go with no. I felt like there was a lot more that could have been done, and it was too nicely wrapped up.

    I don't read the comics, but thanks to wikipedia I know a good amount about what goes on in the Spider-Man comics and I find it odd that they had MJ from the beginning as Peter's love interest, even though Gwen Stacy was actually his first girlfriend. And didn't she die horrifically and it was unclear whether or not it was Peter or the fall that actually killed her?


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