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Open Source Puppetry Project

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by ScrapsFlippy, Oct 1, 2005.

  1. Don't worry, I'm no expert either. :) Simple is good. Especially if the idea is to film them outside somewhere. Easier to transport a simple puppet.

    I actually thought Omega Company was funny. A serious sounding name for a group of goof ups.

    Does anyone have any other suggestions for a name?
  2. Trekkie Monster

    Trekkie Monster Active Member

    what about ssabmud corp, if we are going with the idea that these characters are the lower end of the spectrum mental capacity wise....(check what it is backwards)
  3. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    Hey how about shorten the omega comapany to The O.C..... wait just a second ... never mind :(

    Seriously though how about an abreviation like OmCO or something...or we could blend it and call them the Omegco......
  4. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    I must of killed the mood making jokes about FOX dramas....:(
  5. SesameKermie

    SesameKermie Well-Known Member

    Recap and a BUMP!

    So to recap:

    From what I understand, we've got a team of inept invaders scouting out different things and learning about the culture so they can take over the Earth. They report back to a leader, Sargeant Sarcon (? Did we decide on this?), who is only slightly more able to lead than his underlings.

    Sargeant Sarcon is their leader because of some faux pas involving a high-ranking dignitary, and is trying to get back in the High Command's good graces.

    That's the back story.

    The puppets are supposed to be Monsters--I would recommend vaguely humanoid shapes (a head and two arms) simply because of the difficulties puppeteering something more complex.

    Items yet to be decided:
    1. The name of the group of Monsters--The Funderlings, Perhaps?
    2. The 'uniform' logo
    3. what the 'leader' puppet looks like
    4. logistical problems--who's going to host the videos, where they're going to be hosted, etc.

    Lets get this thing going!!!;) :D :excited:
  6. ScrapsFlippy

    ScrapsFlippy Well-Known Member

    As Allen Ginsburg once said, "First Thought, Best Thought."

    It's decided because someone said it.

    Thanks for naming them the Funderlings!

    Yes, let's get the show on the road.

    If you haven't already, read this blog posting from Buck Beaver. He 'da man.

    - Scraps
  7. ScrapsFlippy

    ScrapsFlippy Well-Known Member

    As for who's gonna upload all the videos, how about we set up some sort of a wiki arrangement? Only registered users can upload content . . .

    We can make it "Omega Company Central Command Center." Each person's log in identity can be the name of their Funderling. To the casual observer, it will appear as if the Funderlings are operating the website.

    In Fact . . . what if there's some crazy person who has "discovered" the Funderling Conspiracy. He's hacked their mainframe, and presents the "frightening truth" for all to see? Anyone want to be the human host for this thing? Maybe it should be a puppet human?

    -- Scraps
  8. ScrapsFlippy

    ScrapsFlippy Well-Known Member

    . . . and another thing.

    I don't know how anyone else feels about this, but I say anyone who is willing to design the site and maintain it as webmaster can have first dibs on any possible merch revenues. The whole darn thing is open source, so anyone's free to open their own cafepress store, or whatever. But whoever designs the site and maintains it can have the "official" store.

    (It sure as heck ain't gonna be me. I have plenty on my plate as it is.)

    -- Scraps

    P.S. To quote the Great Gonzo: "Come on! What's the matter with you people? Immortality is up for grabs!!!"
  9. keithallison

    keithallison Active Member

    I am a 'multimedia designer' at my day job... video editing (premiere, after effects), 3d graphics and animation (3d Studio Max 8)... DVD Authoring (adobe Encore)... 20 years graphic design experience... I have a Canon GL2 3ccd camcorder... owned a web design business from '95 to '02.. (HTML, flash, php) I try to make puppets and they're 'average or less than average'... so if there's anything I can do, I'm in. I can design characters, design sets... make virtual sets... design shirts and posters and what not fro a cafe press type store...

    I just sold my main website and forum (that I grew from me to over 3500 members in 2 years with only 3 moderators)

    How about instead of Omega Company, it's something like OMega Force Group (or OMFG to be more precise!)... every time something bad happens, they can shout O M F G!

    anyhoo, let me know if I can be of assistance.

  10. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    Great to see some activity here... again I am on board
  11. bezalel

    bezalel Well-Known Member

    ME TOO! We need job assignments.
  12. SesameKermie

    SesameKermie Well-Known Member


    Forgive me if I'm taking over here, but to get this thing off the ground:

    keith--Would you be willing to be webmaster for this? If so, can/would you arrange a decent 'free' website for us? We need something that serves as a point of contact for the contributors as well as allowing others to see it. Perhaps we could host the videos using Rapidshare or some other "off-site" storage at first. 'OMFG' Sounds great.

    Bezalel--do we have any word on the pattern(s)? Since it looks like we are going with the "Omega" idea, could you find a good looking omega to use as the logo?

    How about some ground rules for the videos?
  13. MGov

    MGov Well-Known Member

    I've dealt with enough short films, indie stuff, etc. to know that the likelihood of this making any kind of money down the road are slim, and yet, I would never agree (nor should anyone else, I think) to assign the rights to my work to anyone else on a project like this.

    Each of us should retain all the rights to the characters each of us creates and whatever original work each of us does. Otherwise, if there is money to be made down the road, it will be a bigger hassle.

    Besides, deciding who has dibs on what starts to make this a business deal. And we really want to do this for fun and friendship, right?
  14. bezalel

    bezalel Well-Known Member

    Amen, MGov. The website should just be a central "meeting place".

    Patterns? I'm working on the Monster Series. However, it may be longer than I had anticipated because of a puppet building project that I'll be involved in for a month or so. At any rate, for those who want a pattern or who want to get started right away, any one of the Forma Series patterns can easily be made into a monster character. You can check out the gallery for examples, if you haven't already.

    Once the website is up, I'd be happy to offer some kind of rebate or special or extras for those who used a Project Puppet pattern in their video submission. That will have to be decided down the line.

    I can come up with a logo - if keith doesn't want it - I just want to be sure of the name. Omega Company? The Funderlings? Anyone?
  15. keithallison

    keithallison Active Member

    Mgov, i don't think the point of this is really to make money.. just a bunch of people that are trying to contribute to something that they may not be able to do completely on their own. I think it sounds fun and interesting and since I'm a wannabe puppeteer like a lot of people here (yes, I am well aware there are a slew of accomplished puppet builders and puppeteers here)
  16. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    I have to agree, although I'm not really involved in this, I was the one who first pitched the idea way back when and the point was it was to be "open source" i.e. free for anyone to participate in. I think the offer of a rebate or special extras for someone using a project puppet pattern is very generous, but it would be much cooler if there was a good, free pattern that everyone could use. People are of course welcome to take this in any direction they'd like, but I think that building the project around patterns that cost $50 betrays the spirit of the original intent of the idea.

    I have a basic pattern that I've been using for a few years that I would be happy to give to whoever for free if everyone wants a standard pattern to work with. It's very basic, but can be used to make almost anything with modifications (I used it for virtually all of the puppets in the Star Wars puppet fan film I've been working on). You can see a sample of a puppet made with it here.

    I'd also recommend releasing the video under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License so that it can be freely shared but no one can modify it or make "derivitative works" using it or the characters in it. It could be hosted for free by the Internet Archive.
  17. bezalel

    bezalel Well-Known Member

    I certainly did not mean to imply that using a Project Puppet pattern would be a requirement. I'm all for creativity and doing things inexpensively. I'm just offering for anyone who would want it.

    I definitely don't think using a pattern that was purchased, whether it be from Project Puppet or any other company, betrays the original intent of the idea.
  18. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Actually, it does.

    Maybe I'm splitting a hair here, but the original concept behind this - which has changed a bit as discussion about it has proceeded - was to do something in puppetry that's modelled on the open source software movement (hence the name "Open Source Puppetry Project". So, for example, if there is a web site all of the videos would have Creative Commons Licenses so people could edit or "mash up" the puppet videos however they wanted. Just like open source software, people can post or download patterns that were used to build the puppets in the videos. Everything is free, the only cost of participating is the "freely use, freely give" principle which means that in order to contribute or benefit from the project you have to share your "source" i.e. the video files, patterns, etc.

    I think this is a really interesting approach because it provides an amazing opportunity for people to learn and grow with an absence of commercial interests. It's the kind of "Creative Commie" approach that excludes commercial products in favour of open, free information and ideas.

    Now I realize that what I think is being discussed now is more of just an online collaborative puppet show on the web and that's fantastic too. I think this should grow in whatever direction people want, but the model I outlined above is where the discussion about this started from way-back-when.
  19. gfarkwort

    gfarkwort Well-Known Member

    When I read this I am reminded of Animal Farm for some reason.....I'm not going to name characters, but this better be resolved before it doesn't happen.......;)
  20. bezalel

    bezalel Well-Known Member

    I'm a bit confused by your comments, Buck. Common sense would tell a person that with any undertaking there is a cost involved, whether it be time, money, energy or other resources.

    The above quote is from the PuppetVision Blog. Wouldn't you agree that some sort of cost would be involved in regard to a computer, a webcam, and a puppet (even if you build it yourself from a free pattern)? These are materials and tools that would be necessary in order to see the project through. This is not to mention time and energy. The same holds true in the open source software field - cost is involved for all the contributers for any open source software project.

    My offer for the Project Puppet patterns was just an offer - something I can contribute to the project that I thought was of some value. I am in no way trying to hinder the exchange of free puppet patterns or the sharing of knowledge.

    I'm sorry to see that your view of Project Puppet has changed. This has become apparent by your more recent posts, although you have never been a customer.

    I apologize to the readers of this thread for taking it off topic.

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