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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Xerus, May 7, 2008.
You mean were already not?
We're getting there!
Here are some ideas that I think might save today's Saturday Mornings.
1. Create more cartoons based on comic strips.
2. Make a variety cartoon or "Friends" series like the Cattanooga Cats, C.B. Bears, Rocky and Friends, or the Groovie Goolies and Friends, where you'll never know which cartoons you'll see each week.
3. Make new giant puppets series like those Krofft shows.
4. Make a live action kids' show with a host and a crazy cast and show regular cartoon shorts.
5. Maybe make a new racing or sports cartoon like they did with the Wacky Races, Laff-A-Lympics, and Yogi's Space Race where regular teams compete and you would never know who would win at the end of each episode.
6. And air fun educational and musical shorts during the commercials like in Schoolhouse Rock and Time for Timer.
These types of shows were pretty much what the glory days of Saturday Morning were about.
I don't think unnecessarily, that repeating things they once did will make Saturdays morning great again. I just think they need some good quality shows that kids will want to see. But I think eventually they will get there.
Not gonna work, since there really aren't any good mainstream comics anymore (Unless someone gives a certain Kevin a call). Plus, the last time shows were based off comics, they were for an adult audience. Baby Blues, Boondocks... The comics seem to be made more for adults riding to work, reading the paper than a kiddy audience. Maybe Foxtrot would work, but it seems better as a sitcom style cartoon. Ditto Zitz.
Curtis would be cool, though.
Unfortunately, that premise of a variety cartoon died out with Toonsylvania. Animaniacs, Tiny Toons... those were the last majorly successful ones like that, anyway.
Ehhhhh... No. The Kroft's appeal was basically stuck up in Generation X. 10 years ago would have been the best chance for a revival. But then, With the way that the new Land of the Lost turned out, I think they nipped that one in the bud. Plus, unless kids have parents that have all the DVD box sets and watch them with their kids, what kid's gonna get the reference?
Being an Uncle Crock's Block fan, you should know that that didn't exactly work in the 70's, so the idea wouldn't carry well to this generation. Closest thing is the Spongebob special episodes hosted by the pirate and the parrot. No kid's gonna get the reference unless their parents explain it. Trust me. I kinda looked into that myself. Satirically of course.
I think it could work... but only if Pixar was willing to make a cartoon based off of Cars. There's a new Speed Racer cartoon, but there's not really that much buzz around it. And since the movie's not doing that good, it doesn't look like it will become that successful. unless DIC somehow licensed a NASCAR cartoon (I think they actually tried that years ago. I forget) I don't think it would be that successful.
If Warners were still making cartoons, however, a Wacky Races revival could work. If done right, that is. Look at how good the new Tom and Jerry did.
With all the whining and moaning about the health of our youth, I'm surprised they didn't try this harder. Other than the odd PSA featuring a popular character, you rarely see anything like Timer. I mean, we could have the TMNT or Spider-Man talk about these sort of things in new shorts outside of the cartoon. That would be great.
Here's my take..
1) Hire network programming directors that want to take a chance, win or lose. Not just a bunch of cheap studio run ditto head employees that put up lip service TV/EI reruns from their cable networks.
2) There are a lot of cartoonists out there, well established ones, that have excellent ideas. Try calling them up and asking them for assistance. One of them will come up with something that will fit your guidelines and will become a mild success.
3) More superhero programs. Spidey and TMNT seem to be the biggest things we got this season. I mean, Batman and Legion may be gone, but try some other comic companies. If Nicktoons didn't get first dibs on the new Iron Man and X-Men cartoons, you could have had something there.
4) Kids don't like reality shows about other kids. Stop doing that. The Adreniline project was a humongous failure.
And 5) If all else fails, sell off to an up and coming company that has great ideas and cartoons all ready to air somewhere... if only someone can actually air them.
Well, you see to me, it's all about the timing and the execution of these things. Like if they put in on after a cartoon block and well, just made better show and actually relate to this audience.
But they like shows about a physic whose visions often fail, a popstar with a dual life, two twin brothers who run amok in a ritzy hotel, etc.
It didn't matter what time slot they put it in. No one wanted to watch it at all. You get enough of that crap on adult programming.
But it's not reality, now is it? Personally, even I'd take a crappy premise like that to a reality show anyday. Even one that completely stole the plot from Home Alone 2. Man, when it was Macauly Culkin pulling that stunt on Tim Curry (was it him, I haven't seen HA2 in eons), it actually was hillarious.
Yes, the semi-evil hotel worker who schemed against Kevin was indeed played by Tim Curry.
Oh! You meant reality programming. Well besides like Wild And Crazy Kids, you're right about it not working.
We mean the Big Brother, Survivor, American Idol, and Deal or No Deal kind. XD
Yes, those seem like good ways to make Saturday Mornings better again. I did hear news about a new Garfield series coming soon, so hopefully that's a good sign.
And I agree with no more kids' reality shows. Reality shows already seemed to have taken over prime time, we don't really need them conquering Saturday mornings too.
Also, all the cartoons Disney seems to be making today are about kid issues. In fact, the late 90's One Saturday Morning claimed it was 5 hours of summer once a week, but all they mostly showed were cartoons about kids in school. It was like dealing with the pressures of school on the weekends.
And I do like some superhero cartoons, especially ones with original regular heroes and villains. So they're making a new Iron Man cartoon, eh? I figured after the live action Iron Man movie, they would make a new cartoon series of it. Just like they did with the Spider Man and Fantastic Four movies.
It did seem like in the early 90's, cartoons started to become original and cool again. Mainly because those cartoons came from the minds of cartoonists instead of toys, movies, fads, and executive thinking. Like John K's, Ren and Stimpy and Savage Steve Holland's and Bill Kopp's Eek the Cat series. Cartoon Network let cartoonists create great new ideas like Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, Cow and Chicken, and the Powerpuff Girls. Also Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were really great, I think mainly because each episode costs millions of dollars to make and they offered us such sophisticated humor along with other neat and musical skits.
And Johnen Vasquez's Invader Zim. XD
I'll share my cartoon memories.
I remember getting up in the 80's and early 90's on saturday mornings to watch cartoons.
I remember specifically turning to my local abc affiliate station to watch shows like "The New Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh", "The Real Ghostbusters", "The Wizard Of Oz", "The Bugs Bunny And Tweety Show", "Darkwing Duck", "BeetleJuice", "Cowboys Of Moo Mesa", and the live action revamped show "Land Of The Lost".
But I did watch CBS with shows like "Peewee's Play House", "Garfield And Friends", and more specifically "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles".
Also I watched NBC and shows like "Captain N: The Game Master" which specially showed the Super Mario Bros 3 cartoons as well as Super Mario World cartoons.
Hey, for more information, checkout Wikipedia's United States television schedules. They have weekday, evening, and weekend television programming.
A person after my own heart. XD
Oh yeah. i'm actually surprised they're still going through with that. I thought they actually planned a series of DTV features (ala Futurama) instead. But if they can get this series on TV somehow, that will be great. Unfortunately, it'll go straight to cable.
Which brings me to... stop letting cable get first pick of cartoons. I know it's crazy and far fetched, but if someone can get something a cable network would air once or twice, and then toss away at a 5 am slot, and put it on CW4kids or something, they could give the cable networks a run for their money. Skunk Fu? Blehhh!
It's a good thing most networks stayed away from it. other than NBC's Discovery Kids and 4KidsTV, I really haven't seen anything like that. But it's ratings poison. I really gotta post the ratings for Adreniline Project. Thye were abysmal no matter what time slot they tried it on.
But then again, they were pretty good. I especially thought Pepper Ann was impressive. All the time people are clamoring for a positive female role model, and they completely ignored what was under their noses. it was a show with cross gender appeal. And while Doug by Disney was inferior to Nick's version, it was still entertaining.
Disney tosses out a bunch of random cartoons to make a name for themselves now, and only care about those lame live action shows. Even someone older could have identified with Recess (which I though was a brilliant little show, and I loved the movie).
Oddly enough, Disney has had more cartoon programming than live action programming lately, but since they haven't had a single hit cartoon (and I could almost say, who could blame them, but a couple were pretty decent) they treat the cartoons as second class programming. All the while, they hype up and trot out the same formulaic Hanna Montana show.
Of course, lemme just say this. I doubt ANY of these kids will wind up like Even Stevens (Can't spell his name, not even gonna try). i mean, he's Indiana Jones's new sidekick. What are Zack and Cody gonna do when they ain't cute anymore, and their voices crack?
*singing* Poo Bear, Winnie the Poo Bear... *singing* I've always loved that song. I'd stop what I was doing just to listen
Anyone ever see iCarly? Now that's some quality acting
I think making Saturdays as awesome as they once were would be very difficult if attempted. Kids have their iPods, bittorrents, multiple channels that air cartoons, etc. that I didn't. So it would be hard to "compete" with all of that. Still, I'd give almost anything to have that all back.
*cue-ing my user-namesake's Saturday Morning (and weekday mornings on the vintage Disney Channel before Playhouse Disney) theme song that people stopped to listen to, as aforementioned*
And Disney was just about ready to have Doug & Pattie finally hook up--after Nick constantly put it off--before the plug was pulled.
*still recalls the theme song of Doug, which was good, no matter the simplistic Nick version or the jazzed-up Disney version*
Hey, I can do better!
If I were you, I wouldn't bother to toy with me. XD
Cue episode "Pooh Ought to Be in Pictures":
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