That's the worst part, isn't it? Edge IS very subjective. But the other thing is, people want to move AWAY from edge as far as kiddy movies go. Edge is usually a bad thing, I know it, the filmmakers know it, the film going public knows it... but somehow everyon'e STILL inexplicably drawn to making movies edgy. To me, edgy means, all characters have to be mean for some reason, one has to be an obvious loud obnoxious stereotype of a minority, they have to make obvious references to movies every single minute (reusing the dreaded line from Scarface a million more times till it loses all its meaning) putting as many at the moment (and I mean red hot at the moment at the moment... just out of the box, not even a year in showbusiness) people in the film artificially, and of course, dancing to obvious, passe G-rated Hip Hop from as recent as 10 years ago. In other words, Kangaroo Jack for example. Now, I don't see how backhanded compliment at the human race , which is what Fraggle Rock essentially is, isn't the edgiest thing you can think of. Dinosaurs wasn't just edgy, it was downright subversive. And it didn't need non-stop hip hop soundtracks and wisecracking minority family friendly stereotypes. But Fraggles always mirrored the human experiance in a fun house mirror saying "you're being ridiculous, you know that?" without being in your face preachy (cough cough Captain Planet). As for the other films... if nothing else, waiting to see how ell they both do would be a good sign for them to start the film, sure... but we have another year before the Muppet movie... and we wouldn't see FR foreseeably until 2013 at the EARLIEST if things go according to plan.